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Thread: Should Congress require Obama end the war in Afghanistan?

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    Re: Should Congress require Obama end the war in Afghanistan?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Who is thinking short term? You're the one arguing that we need to devote hundreds of billions of dollars and tens of thousands of troops to these countries, because ZOMG TERRORISTS OOGABOOGA.
    And now you are putting words in my mouth. I never mentioned terrorist. Good job. A strong centralized military can project centralized power to the tribal region though a number of ways. Combine that military power projection with what Karzi appears to be doing, which is trying to set up a somewhat federalize Afghanistan and you may actually see the stabilization of the country.

    Or the military could take over and impose its will on the people. Either way, you move away from a failed state.

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    Re: Should Congress require Obama end the war in Afghanistan?

    The president is currently implementing his plan to wrap up our military mission in Afghanistan and for that matter we already have a demonstrably very capable commander in chief, we don't need 435 more.
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    Re: Should Congress require Obama end the war in Afghanistan?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    The president is currently implementing his plan to wrap up our military mission in Afghanistan and for that matter we already have a demonstrably very capable commander in chief, we don't need 435 more.
    Do you really believe that Congress should have no say regarding US wars?
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    Re: Should Congress require Obama end the war in Afghanistan?

    Yes, we should pull out as soon as is practically feasible. The law of diminishing returns is starting to come into play now. We've killed Osama, and most of Al Qaeda. It doesn't make sense to continue spending money and lives just to get the few that are left.
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    Re: Should Congress require Obama end the war in Afghanistan?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Do you really believe that Congress should have no say regarding US wars?
    Over a dozen? Let's say two dozen... 24/535 = 4.5%... Wow, that is impressive.

    Anyone that thinks the USA Congress would pass anything that would force the President to withdraw or that, if they did, any USA President would sign such a bill is retarded.

    Anywho, didn't they already have their say when they authorized Bush to use all necessary force? The only say they have now is to withhold funding.

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    Re: Should Congress require Obama end the war in Afghanistan?

    To accomplish what is necessary in Afghanistan, would take a century and trillions of dollars.
    Had we been smart enough to converse and listen to the Russians, we would have known this.

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    Re: Should Congress require Obama end the war in Afghanistan?

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    To accomplish what is necessary in Afghanistan, would take a century and trillions of dollars.
    Had we been smart enough to converse and listen to the Russians, we would have known this.
    You think we are trying to build a stable state?

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    Re: Should Congress require Obama end the war in Afghanistan?

    Quote Originally Posted by xpiher View Post
    You think we are trying to build a stable state?
    trying and failing.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

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    Re: Should Congress require Obama end the war in Afghanistan?

    Quote Originally Posted by TOJ View Post

    Anywho, didn't they already have their say when they authorized Bush to use all necessary force?
    Are you saying they authorized a war that could never be ended?
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    Re: Should Congress require Obama end the war in Afghanistan?

    Quote Originally Posted by xpiher View Post
    You think we are trying to build a stable state?
    If it is not stable, all gains will be for naught. And like earthworm pointed out, that "would take a century and trillions of dollars."
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