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Thread: Should Congress require Obama end the war in Afghanistan?

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    Re: Should Congress require Obama end the war in Afghanistan?

    Quote Originally Posted by xpiher View Post
    The difference between now and 2014 is the readiness of the Afghan army.
    Protecting some brutal thugs from some slightly more brutal thugs is simply not worth the cost. American military power is not infinite and we can't have everything we want.
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    Re: Should Congress require Obama end the war in Afghanistan?

    Quote Originally Posted by xpiher View Post
    You'd be surprised what a United States trained military can do. Look at Yemen, not the government or the social unrest, just the military. They've been very effective taking it to Al-Queda. Hell look at Egypt.
    This assumes that our military actions occur in a vacuum, as though they don't contribute to the sad state of governance or social unrest in those countries. And even if it's true that the US military has been effective, it completely ignores the cost side of the equation, as though killing a few terrorists is worth any price.
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    Re: Should Congress require Obama end the war in Afghanistan?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    It didn't work in Vietnam, it hasn't worked in Iraq, and there is no proof that another $300 billion is going to leave any lasting change there under their new corrupt central government.
    We didn't train the military in Vietnam, we fought that war. We were just starting to train the military in Iraq during the sectarian violence phase. Training the police force and military has worked since.

    The point isn't to institute long lasting POLITICAL change, but to prepare the military to protect the country.

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    Re: Should Congress require Obama end the war in Afghanistan?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Osama and al Qaeda are the reason we invaded Afghanistan. Osama is now dead and experts say there are no more than 100 - 150 al-Qaeda left there. Is that worth keeping 100,000 troops there for another 3 years, costing us $300 billion more?
    No.

    The Taliban's attack on the United States is the reason the US invaded Afghanistan.

    Since a premature pullout will allow the Taliban to return, the nation must assess it's priorities before acting. That's a habit the nation really has to begin.

    Now is a good time.

    Pullout now, Afganistan goes back to anarchy and warlordism and lunatic muslim jihadists. Is the nation willing to walk out now, knowing it may have to storm back in less than a decade?

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    Re: Should Congress require Obama end the war in Afghanistan?

    Quote Originally Posted by xpiher View Post
    We didn't train the military in Vietnam, we fought that war. We were just starting to train the military in Iraq during the sectarian violence phase. Training the police force and military has worked since.

    The point isn't to institute long lasting POLITICAL change, but to prepare the military to protect the country.
    Far too often when we train a military to "protect their country," they end up protecting it from us.
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    Re: Should Congress require Obama end the war in Afghanistan?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mayor Snorkum View Post
    No.

    The Taliban's attack on the United States is the reason the US invaded Afghanistan.

    Since a premature pullout will allow the Taliban to return, the nation must assess it's priorities before acting. That's a habit the nation really has to begin.

    Now is a good time.

    Pullout now, Afganistan goes back to anarchy and warlordism and lunatic muslim jihadists. Is the nation willing to walk out now, knowing it may have to storm back in less than a decade?
    When did the Tailban attack the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    This assumes that our military actions occur in a vacuum, as though they don't contribute to the sad state of governance or social unrest in those countries. And even if it's true that the US military has been effective, it completely ignores the cost side of the equation, as though killing a few terrorists is worth any price.
    It doesn't ignore the cost of the equation. Stop thinking short term.
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    Re: Should Congress require Obama end the war in Afghanistan?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mayor Snorkum View Post
    No.

    The Taliban's attack on the United States is the reason the US invaded Afghanistan.

    Since a premature pullout will allow the Taliban to return, the nation must assess it's priorities before acting. That's a habit the nation really has to begin.

    Now is a good time.

    Pullout now, Afganistan goes back to anarchy and warlordism and lunatic muslim jihadists. Is the nation willing to walk out now, knowing it may have to storm back in less than a decade?
    When in its long history has Afghanistan NOT had anarchy, warlordism, and/or lunatic Muslim jihadists? This is one of the most corrupt, impoverished, wartorn countries on the planet, and has been for a very long time. A few more years of American occupation is not going to change that fact.
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    Re: Should Congress require Obama end the war in Afghanistan?

    Quote Originally Posted by xpiher View Post
    We didn't train the military in Vietnam, we fought that war.
    We counted on the support of the South Vietnamese whom often betrayed our locations because they felt we were doing more damage to their country than the North Vietnamese.


    We were just starting to train the military in Iraq during the sectarian violence phase. Training the police force and military has worked since.
    If it has worked, why do we still have 35,000 combat troops there with the full backing of the most powerful military on the planet?

    The point isn't to institute long lasting POLITICAL change, but to prepare the military to protect the country.
    That only last as long as we are there to back them up. I don't think we can afford that kind of commitment for so little assurance of benefit that lasts beyond our pull out.
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    Re: Should Congress require Obama end the war in Afghanistan?

    Quote Originally Posted by xpiher View Post
    It doesn't ignore the cost of the equation. Stop thinking short term.
    Who is thinking short term? You're the one arguing that we need to devote hundreds of billions of dollars and tens of thousands of troops to these countries, because ZOMG TERRORISTS OOGABOOGA.

    There are far better ways to spend that money. How many lives could we have saved from heart disease or cancer (for example) for the same amount of money? They're far more dangerous than terrorism and a lot more cost-effective to prevent.
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    Re: Should Congress require Obama end the war in Afghanistan?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mayor Snorkum View Post
    Pullout now, Afganistan goes back to anarchy and warlordism and lunatic muslim jihadists.
    Realistically, that is what will happen whenever we pull out and we simply cannot afford to spend trillions more on an endless and needless war at this point.

    We have to get a grip on our irrational fears people, or Osama will yet win with his promise to bleed the US into bankruptsy figthing "terrorism" in the Middle East.
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