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What do you prefer after death?

What do you prefer after death?

  • Everlasting death

    Votes: 7 19.4%
  • Everlasting life in Hell

    Votes: 1 2.8%
  • Everlasting life in Paradise

    Votes: 23 63.9%
  • No opinion

    Votes: 5 13.9%

  • Total voters
    36
So you believe that minds/consciousness/"souls" can exist without the brain and body. I'm curious as to why you believe this is true.

Don't really know, but I do believe it.

Of course, I could be wrong but, since my beliefs have absolutely zero affect on how I actually live my life or how anyone else lives theirs, then it doesn't matter. I figure my beliefs are my own personal beliefs. Me sharing them isn't going to really make the world better or worse, but I have found that it makes interesting conversation.

Although, it does actually help to encourage me to try new things and be more open.
 
well...i guess i can't explain heaven to you if you not only don't understand time but science either.

You can't explain heaven because you've never been there. Anyone living has never had the opportunity to be there either.

Of course this all assumes that heaven is some mystical personal utopia, or even exists. Neither of which are likely to be true.

We all know that there is a universe above the clouds, and that dreams are random firings in our brains while we sleep. So why is it that so many people still believe in a heaven?
 
Careful what you wish for. You might get it. ;)

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If it involves hard spanks and bowing to my master? I am ok with it:2razz:
 
Don't really know, but I do believe it.
Bummer. Was hoping you had an explanation. Christian explanations are boring and cliche: because I believe the Bible is true, because I met Jesus, because I just know. Non-believers usually have far more interesting explanations.

Of course, I could be wrong
I don't necessarily think you are wrong.... i just don't see why there is any reason to believe you are right. :)

since my beliefs have absolutely zero affect on how I actually live my life or how anyone else lives theirs, then it doesn't matter.
Perhaps that is true for you. Personally one of the reasons I am so interested in religion and philosophy is because it has significant consequences on your worldview and the meaning you find in life.

I figure my beliefs are my own personal beliefs. Me sharing them isn't going to really make the world better or worse, but I have found that it makes interesting conversation.
That depends on who you are. For people like you and I, I agree, we probably won't have an effect.

Although, it does actually help to encourage me to try new things and be more open.
I agree. I've come to respect quite a few positions that differ from my own, even some Christian positions. Learning is a life long process.
 
So you believe that minds/consciousness/"souls" can exist without the brain and body. I'm curious as to why you believe this is true.

I believe an unconscious soul exists without the brain or body. It is our influence in the world, which does not suddenly disappear when we die. I'd say it never completely disappears, but some burn more brightly than others. When we say the "spirit" of something, what do we mean. I figure the same for people. I suppose I'm just a simpleton and I can't grasp magic. Do you deny that everyone has a (perhaps everlasting) influence in this world?

Consciousness being the keyword, excuse my tangent.
 
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One day while I was praying, it suddenly occurred to me that I was talking to myself.
 
I believe an unconscious soul exists without the brain or body. It is our influence in the world, which does not suddenly disappear when we die. I'd say it never completely disappears, but some burn more brightly than others.
Our "influence"? I agree that our actions while alive can have influence on the world now and even long after we die. E.G., i could hide $1million then kill myself after which I have a letter delivered to someone telling them where the money is. But I don't see how that supports the idea of disembodied_minds/souls. It seems entirely irrelevant.
 
I believe an unconscious soul exists without the brain or body. It is our influence in the world, which does not suddenly disappear when we die. I'd say it never completely disappears, but some burn more brightly than others. When we say the "spirit" of something, what do we mean. I figure the same for people. I suppose I'm just a simpleton and I can't grasp magic. Do you deny that everyone has a (perhaps everlasting) influence in this world?

Consciousness being the keyword, excuse my tangent.

Every action taken by every person has an effect on the world as we know it. It's what shaped today and will shape tomorrow. All of our actions are interwined and create the world around us.

If I kill someone tomorrow, it will alter the future from its technically "predestined" plan of having that person in it. Therefore, I will have had an everlasting influence on the world.
 
One day while I was praying, it suddenly occurred to me that I was talking to myself.
You're not really talking to yourself, unless you get spoken/direct answers. It's the answering part that makes it talking. Otherwise, you're just verbalizing thoughts.

Verbalizing thoughts is not bad. Expecting direct answers from beyond is nuts.


Every action taken by every person has an effect on the world as we know it. It's what shaped today and will shape tomorrow. All of our actions are interwined and create the world around us.

If I kill someone tomorrow, it will alter the future from its technically "predestined" plan of having that person in it. Therefore, I will have had an everlasting influence on the world.

That's why we live forever and we wont ever truly die. Although, I wouldn't recommend killing someone (unless you had to stop them from some terrible crime) - much smaller gestures can make much larger and longer impacts.
 
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The actual poll question is inherently biased.

Nobody in their right mind would prefer eternal death or eternal hell.

Of cours I would prefer eternal life in paradise, but I'm not crazy enough to believe in fairy tales. That's what school children do, until somehow the news is broken to them that Santa Claus isn't bringing those presents.
 
That's why we live forever and we wont ever truly die. Although, I wouldn't recommend killing someone (unless you had to stop them from some terrible crime) - much smaller gestures can make much larger and longer impacts.

The difference between being alive and being dead for me is the existence or absence of a mind/consciousness.

If you are defining life as "having influence" then I agree that we can "live forever". But myself and others aren't really concerned aboutthat.
 
The question is what is Hell ? If one believes in God. Then one also may believes God is outside of time and space. So one may finds himself in 13th century black plague europe. Or better yet a dead neo-nazi finds himself in the middle of spanish inquisition as a jew.

Or Paradise could be as simple as a over work, over tech businessman finding himself in the middle of a amish community.

and let not get started with the quantum mechanics theory of parallel universes.
 
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If it involves hard spanks and bowing to my master? I am ok with it:2razz:
OK. Way more info than I need to know. :shock:

I was referring to wishing to be reincarnated to be a famous person's pet and ending up being Vick's dog. :doh

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Unfortunately we all will sometimes die, shortly or later, but certainly. Interesting question, what do you wish will happen with you after your death? Do you prefer to became food for flesh-eating maggots without any hope according to the teaching of secular humanists and atheists,or going to Heaven is probably better?Perhaps somebody wish go to Hell, or still can not decide, please vote and explain your choice.

BTW who know, maybe your wish will be fulfilled in the afterlife.

BTW alfons wants to know because somebody set us up the bomb, you have no chance to survive make your time.
 
Do you prefer to became food for flesh-eating maggots

I missed this part before. I want my ashes put on organic gardens, farms and forests near my friends. That way, my molecules become part of living stuff quickly. Flesh-eating maggots (do worms eating ash count?) might be a reasonable option, but I had this stuff figured out already. I wonder if anyone will prefer maggots.
 
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Bummer. Was hoping you had an explanation. Christian explanations are boring and cliche: because I believe the Bible is true, because I met Jesus, because I just know. Non-believers usually have far more interesting explanations.

I was thinking about this last night, and think I may have some explaination at least for where I got some of the ideas about the afterlife that I have.

First, I am a bit of a romantic, and I do think that most people search for someone here on earth to be with (although it may take a while to get to the point where they are conducting this particular search). I couldn't imagine being in an afterlife without someone to share it with, just like I want to share my life here on earth with someone. I also believe that most people are capable of falling in love with more than one person but that it is quite possible that none of those are really their true soul mate. I have known a least a few people who have felt deep love and devotion to more than one person in their lifetime, and I believe that this is natural (although I think that it also has a little to do with the maturation of a soul as to whether a person can do this or not). I'm not sure exactly how I derived this particular view, but I know that it isn't uncommon to find people that believe in soulmates, just those that have a more optimistic viewpoint on finding a soulmate.

I think my views about a soul maturing over many lifetimes comes from views on the maturation of societies, my own and some other people that I have known, at least partly. I had a teacher once point out to my class that societies, and even humanity as a whole, seems to mature with time. It is like you can almost observe the different stages of life in societies as a whole, at least it seems that way to me. Now, not every society matures, as a whole, as quickly as some others might mature.

And I know that no matter how much a try, I cannot access most of my memories but that they did influence who I am. I guess this is why I can see a soul working somewhat the same way, only on a longer timeline.

I think some of my ideas came from just looking into the different religions and cultural beliefs in general, and finding the similarities. And, generally, I am a pretty positive person, so I know that I am more likely to question any negative rule/custom/belief from a culture or religion than I am a positive rule/custom/belief.

My family can take some of the credit for me believing that a higher power would not be likely to make up arbitrary and unfair rules because growing up I was taught to question such things (although, I was taught to do so as politely as possible). Along with this, I was also taught that God was fair and loving and that He gave humans free will. This is one of the reasons that I question any religion that has rules for getting into or a better afterlife, especially when such rules are in some way unfair to people or a certain group of people, because these things do not logically fit with a fair and loving God that gave us free will.

Now, I can say that I think some of my beliefs were influenced by media, including books, TV, and movies. And there is definitely influence from individual beliefs of my family as well, and even some of my friends and acquaintances.
 
But seriously, why are you trying to jihad my brain cells?

Not me, but atheits jihad our brain cells non-stop 24/7 in all medias.
 
I would like to be reincarnated, only being able to remember everything from my past life.

As to what actually happens...no idea.

Reincarnation is impossible, only Resurrection is true.
 
Reincarnation is impossible, only Resurrection is true.

Coming back as something else after you die? Impossible.

Being risen from the dead by a 2000 year old son of God, who was sent down and born of a virgin to save civilization as we know it? Of course that's true.
 
Not me, but atheits jihad our brain cells non-stop 24/7 in all medias.

Damn. Alfons figured it out. Now how are we supposed to steal christian babies and take their women?
 
If I had the choice I think I would want to just keep being reincarnated as a human over and over again. Eternal hell sounds like.. well a hell and eternal paradise just sounds boring.

Now that's something we can agree on. :thumbs:
 
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