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    Is it Wrong to Use Debt Ceiling Vote as Leverage?

    Boehner is signaling that he (and presumably the other Republicans) will not vote to raise the debt ceiling unless "dramatic steps" are taken "to reduce spending and to reform the budget process.

    Wash. Post - "What's So Radical About Boehner's Approach?

    Is this wrong, given the "irresponsibility" of not raising the debt limit (Boehner's own words)?

    In my opinion, it is fine to take such a position, but only if a responsible and fair plan/compromise has been proposed to reduce spending and reform the budget process. I don't think such a plan has been proposed yet. I also don't think the debt ceiling should be used as leverage to implement lackadaisical or unwise economic reform--essentially, reform that is no more than a political notch to use come election time.

    What are you thoughts?
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    Re: Is it Wrong to Use Debt Ceiling Vote as Leverage?

    Please excuse the grammatical error in the poll.
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    Re: Is it Wrong to Use Debt Ceiling Vote as Leverage?

    I don't think it is. However, we need to be careful to not make markets nervous.

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    Re: Is it Wrong to Use Debt Ceiling Vote as Leverage?

    Is it wrong to bankrupt our unborn Grandchildren's Grandchildren in the name of Democrat Subprime Social Spending to Nowhere?


    ....then using the Debt Ceiling as leverage is completely acceptable.....
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    Re: Is it Wrong to Use Debt Ceiling Vote as Leverage?

    Quote Originally Posted by Krhazy View Post
    Boehner is signaling that he (and presumably the other Republicans) will not vote to raise the debt ceiling unless "dramatic steps" are taken "to reduce spending and to reform the budget process.

    Wash. Post - "What's So Radical About Boehner's Approach?

    Is this wrong, given the "irresponsibility" of not raising the debt limit (Boehner's own words)?

    In my opinion, it is fine to take such a position, but only if a responsible and fair plan/compromise has been proposed to reduce spending and reform the budget process. I don't think such a plan has been proposed yet. I also don't think the debt ceiling should be used as leverage to implement lackadaisical or unwise economic reform--essentially, reform that is no more than a political notch to use come election time.

    What are you thoughts?
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    Re: Is it Wrong to Use Debt Ceiling Vote as Leverage?

    I know some libs have claimed that it's wrong.

    To those who do, I say "get a grip." This is politics, nothing is off limits. So no, it's not wrong. Those who say it is are pussies.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: Is it Wrong to Use Debt Ceiling Vote as Leverage?

    Who cares if it is wrong? It's permissible.
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    Re: Is it Wrong to Use Debt Ceiling Vote as Leverage?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Who cares if it is wrong? It's permissible.
    I'd amend that to "it's possible." Whether or not people like that fact is irrelevant. Whining about the game being unfair does you no good in this case.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: Is it Wrong to Use Debt Ceiling Vote as Leverage?

    I do not think they should raise the debt ceiling. I think they should threaten to shut the government down until drastic cuts are made.
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    Re: Is it Wrong to Use Debt Ceiling Vote as Leverage?

    I don't want to see either debit ceiling raised or the Gov. shut down but some how we have take charge of the budget in such a way that we attack the debit and convince the Dems. in the Senate of how out of touch Obama is with reality and that Tax and spend is not working have never worked and will never work in the future.

    The Tax & spend plans do exactly the opposite of what those who do it say it will do.

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