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    Re: Is it Wrong to Use Debt Ceiling Vote as Leverage?

    Threaten to not vote to raise the debt ceiling? How about actually not voting to raise the debt ceiling. We act as if the world will end if the government doesn't feed every one and every thing on the planet.
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    Re: Is it Wrong to Use Debt Ceiling Vote as Leverage?

    Quote Originally Posted by ksu_aviator View Post
    Threaten to not vote to raise the debt ceiling? How about actually not voting to raise the debt ceiling. We act as if the world will end if the government doesn't feed every one and every thing on the planet.
    That's a good point...We contribute more to foreign aid per capita than any other country in the world. Why is that? And why do we keep doing it when we can't pay our own bills?
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    Re: Is it Wrong to Use Debt Ceiling Vote as Leverage?

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    That's a good point...We contribute more to foreign aid per capita than any other country in the world. Why is that? And why do we keep doing it when we can't pay our own bills?
    Foreign aid is pretty much the one thing most people on all sides can agree on cutting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Foreign aid is pretty much the one thing most people on all sides can agree on cutting.
    Cue dissenting opinion in 3...2..1...
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    Re: Is it Wrong to Use Debt Ceiling Vote as Leverage?

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    Cue dissenting opinion in 3...2..1...
    In all seriousness, cutting all foreign aid won't put a dent in the deficit, and isn't really relevant to the raising of the debt ceiling. I think it's perfectly legitimate for the House GOP to be asking Dems to put concrete cuts on the table.

    I'm a liberal - I DO often view government as a problem-solver of the first resort, and I believe in expansive government (Big government if you will). However, taking in less revenue than you are spending, year after year after year, is just plain idiotic. Whoever it was back in the 80s that said "debt isn't a problem" we can just keeping running up the deficit and everything will be fine, was seriously deluded.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: Is it Wrong to Use Debt Ceiling Vote as Leverage?

    Quote Originally Posted by ksu_aviator View Post
    Threaten to not vote to raise the debt ceiling? How about actually not voting to raise the debt ceiling. We act as if the world will end if the government doesn't feed every one and every thing on the planet.
    Except that's not what it's about at all. What happens is then we can't pay the obligations we've already made, which throws government bonds into doubt.

    Any hope that the recession was over? Forget about it. It's bad for business, and bad for the economy.

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    Re: Is it Wrong to Use Debt Ceiling Vote as Leverage?

    Not using it as leverage is immoral
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    Re: Is it Wrong to Use Debt Ceiling Vote as Leverage?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bigfoot 88 View Post
    Not using it as leverage is immoral
    I'm not worried about anybody using it as leverage. I think that making good on the threat is a bad idea. Right now, they're just flexing their muscle, but Boehner's not a dummy. He's not going to do anything to deepen the recession with a Presidential election next year.

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    Re: Is it Wrong to Use Debt Ceiling Vote as Leverage?

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    Cue dissenting opinion in 3...2..1...
    pork barrel spending - we also agree on that. and corporate welfare in the tax code. (i had to)

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    Re: Is it Wrong to Use Debt Ceiling Vote as Leverage?

    I dunno... is it wrong to be strapped with explosives threatening to blow yourself up and everyone in the room if you don't get your way? Is that considered good politics or responsible statesmanship?

    The debt ceiling has to be raised. Even with the most aggressive budget out there you are going to increase the debt before you begin to decrease it, so the ceiling has to be raised.
    Last edited by upsideguy; 05-11-11 at 01:00 AM.

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