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    Should Military Chaplains Be Allowed to Perform Same Sex Marriages?

    Thread that brought this on: http://www.debatepolitics.com/genera...marriages.html

    Note that I use the term "allowed", not "forced". No chaplain would be forced to perform such a service, but allowed if they chose to.
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    Yes, there is no harm in allowing them to do this.
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    Re: Should Military Chaplains Be Allowed to Perform Same Sex Marriages?

    Absolutely. I think any chaplain, preacher or justice of the peace, etc., should be able to perform SSM anywhere, frankly, because denying homosexuals the right to marry is unconstitutional in my opinion. Therefore, states which forbid SSM are violating the constitution, and the federal government is obligated to force compliance, just as it did when blacks were unconstitutionally segregated and denied the rights that white people enjoyed.

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    Re: Should Military Chaplains Be Allowed to Perform Same Sex Marriages?

    Yes. fosho.
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    Re: Should Military Chaplains Be Allowed to Perform Same Sex Marriages?

    Why is the USA military allowed to have chaplins? Isn't that counter to the first amendment?

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    Re: Should Military Chaplains Be Allowed to Perform Same Sex Marriages?

    Quote Originally Posted by TOJ View Post
    Why is the USA military allowed to have chaplins? Isn't that counter to the first amendment?

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    No, as long as all faiths are represented (or at least all faiths are served equally).
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

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    Re: Should Military Chaplains Be Allowed to Perform Same Sex Marriages?

    The military having Chaplains doesn't violate the First Amendment. There's no requirement to attend services for servicemen, but if you do choose to attend you can find just about any religious service you'd like on a military installation. Now, if the military told their chaplains that they could not perform same-sex marraiges if they wanted to then that might violate the first amendment.

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    Re: Should Military Chaplains Be Allowed to Perform Same Sex Marriages?

    I've never served, and so know nothing about military life, nor am I a man of God in the professional sense, but I would think that if the military directs a chaplain to perform an SSM cermeony, and that chaplain objects on biblical grounds, that he should be allowed his right to object without facing expulsion from the military.

    There are pastors who counsel in favor of abortion, and there are pastors willing to perform SSM ceremonies. I say if the regular guy objects, he should face no consequences and the military should farm the job out.

    PS - This assumes we're talking about ceremonies taking place in states that recognize SSM. Elsewhere, a hell no suffices.
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    Re: Should Military Chaplains Be Allowed to Perform Same Sex Marriages?

    Quote Originally Posted by TOJ View Post
    Why is the USA military allowed to have chaplins? Isn't that counter to the first amendment?

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    Military chaplains are awesome and do very good work in the military and are absolutely a positive thing. They are not counter to the first amendment in that having chaplains is not establishing a religion. And any one who wants to bitch about the nightly prayer on ships is going to get my boot up their ass.
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    Re: Should Military Chaplains Be Allowed to Perform Same Sex Marriages?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Military chaplains are awesome and do very good work in the military and are absolutely a positive thing. They are not counter to the first amendment in that having chaplains is not establishing a religion. And any one who wants to bitch about the nightly prayer on ships is going to get my boot up their ass.
    I've heard that USA high schools are not allowed to have a prayer at any of their various functions. How is that different?

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