• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

Should Military Chaplains Be Allowed to Perform Same Sex Marriages?

Should Military Chaplains be allowed to perform Same Sex marriages?

  • Total voters
    38
celticwar17 said:
The thought is strange to me, and for some reason something inside of me wants to say no... but sure whynot, leave it up to the states.
I dunno... it feels like the military looses man points
Click to expand...

Really, all the man points lost by guys getting married will be gained by girls getting married ;)





No seriously, what StillBallin said.
 
Redress said:
Thread that brought this on: http://www.debatepolitics.com/general-political-discussion/98727-navy-perform-same-sex-marriages.html

Note that I use the term "allowed", not "forced". No chaplain would be forced to perform such a service, but allowed if they chose to.
Click to expand...

Most Chaplains are bound as much by the rules of their denomination as they are military regulations. Catholic priests, for example, will still not be allowed too regardless of the military stance on the issue. Another issue is DOMA. It covers all military members.
 
Last edited:
mac said:
Most Chaplains are bound as much by the rules of their denomination. Catholic priests, for example, will still not be allowed too regardless of the military stance on the issue. Another issue is DOMA. It covers all military members.
Click to expand...

An interesting point to observe going forward.
 
TOJ said:
So why was Don Larsen, a former Pentecostal military chaplain who converted to Wiccan, stripped of his chaplaincy and discharged from military service when he applied to be a Wiccan chaplain?


.
Click to expand...

There had to have been something else going on there. When I was in the service we did have Wiccan chaplains. Not only that, my roomdog had "Satanist" listed as his religious preference on his dogtags. If you're trying to convince people that the military picks and chooses acceptable religions then I'm not going to take you seriously because I know better.
 
Centrehalf said:
There had to have been something else going on there. When I was in the service we did have Wiccan chaplains. Not only that, my roomdog had "Satanist" listed as his religious preference on his dogtags. If you're trying to convince people that the military picks and chooses acceptable religions then I'm not going to take you seriously because I know better.
Click to expand...

From what I've heard, you can put damn near anything on your dogtags, including "Jedi Master."
 
StillBallin75 said:
From what I've heard, you can put damn near anything on your dogtags, including "Jedi Master."
Click to expand...

I don't know about now. I served 20 years ago and whatever you put down had to at least be a recognized religion. BTW, not only was my roomie a Satanist, we had Church of Satan services at Fort Ord.
 
Centrehalf said:
I don't know about now. I served 20 years ago and whatever you put down had to at least be a recognized religion. BTW, not only was my roomie a Satanist, we had Church of Satan services at Fort Ord.
Click to expand...

Interesting.
 
Your Star said:
Then I'd be an awesome chick Darth Vader win-win :mrgreen:
Click to expand...

hello-kitty-darth-vader1.jpg
 
"Should Military Chaplains Be Allowed to Perform Same Sex"

With a thread topic like that I can't believe there are so few hits! If only to find out how the sentence ends!

(The last word is cut off on the "New Posts" page.)
 
Last edited:
I would pay money to see an authentic dogtag that had a religious preference of "Darth Gayder"
 
Centrehalf said:
There had to have been something else going on there. When I was in the service we did have Wiccan chaplains. Not only that, my roomdog had "Satanist" listed as his religious preference on his dogtags. If you're trying to convince people that the military picks and chooses acceptable religions then I'm not going to take you seriously because I know better.
Click to expand...
I don't give two hoots in hell whether you take me serious or not.

Larsen applied July 6, 2006 to become the first Wiccan chaplain in the U.S. armed forces and was rejected and discharged which is a lot more recent than the 20 years ago when you claim you served.

Just because you say something, does not make it so. If you have some proof there were Wiccan chaplains, please present it. Otherwise you should be written off as just another liar.

.
 
TOJ said:
I don't give two hoots in hell whether you take me serious or not.

Larsen applied July 6, 2006 to become the first Wiccan chaplain in the U.S. armed forces and was rejected and discharged which is a lot more recent than the 20 years ago when you claim you served.

Just because you say something, does not make it so. If you have some proof there were Wiccan chaplains, please present it. Otherwise you should be written off as just another liar.

.
Click to expand...

OK. You asked for it. You really shouldn't beg people to publicly demonstrate that you have a squeaky toy for a brain.

US ARMY CHAPLAIN'S HANDBOOK: EXCERPT ON WICCA

That's the first one. I have 19 more, and probably could have found 1000 more if I had wanted to spend the time. Everytime you post this bullcrap in this thread I'm going to post another one, and then another one, and so on, just to show everyone here what a lying punk ass bitch you really are.
 
mac said:
Most Chaplains are bound as much by the rules of their denomination as they are military regulations. Catholic priests, for example, will still not be allowed too regardless of the military stance on the issue. Another issue is DOMA. It covers all military members.
Click to expand...

DOMA covers every one in the country. Some states still allow SSM though. This is not effected by, nor does it affect DOMA. SSM marriages performed by chaplains still would not be recognized by the federal government nor states that choose not to.
 
Centrehalf said:
OK. You asked for it. You really shouldn't beg people to publicly demonstrate that you have a squeaky toy for a brain.

US ARMY CHAPLAIN'S HANDBOOK: EXCERPT ON WICCA

That's the first one. I have 19 more, and probably could have found 1000 more if I had wanted to spend the time. Everytime you post this bullcrap in this thread I'm going to post another one, and then another one, and so on, just to show everyone here what a lying punk ass bitch you really are.
Click to expand...
How is that proof there were Wiccan Chaplains when you claim you was in 20 years ago?

FAIL

.
 
Redress said:
DOMA covers every one in the country. Some states still allow SSM though. This is not effected by, nor does it affect DOMA. SSM marriages performed by chaplains still would not be recognized by the federal government nor states that choose not to.
Click to expand...

no doma only really applies in specific cases....military members being one of them. further, said marriages could not be performed on federal instillations like military bases.
 
TOJ said:
How is that proof there were Wiccan Chaplains when you claim you was in 20 years ago?

FAIL

.
Click to expand...

You didn't even bother reading it, did you? OK, heres link number two, and this time I'll put a quote from it up so you can't get away with your gutless evasion tactics.
Wiccans and military preparedness

"Wicca is a valid religion:
He recognizes that Wicca has been formally recognized as a valid religion by the Army since 1996. He did mention that many Wiccan groups have been given tax exempt status. Unfortunately he did not mention that:

The Army actually recognized Wicca much earlier. Since 1978, various editions of its chaplains' guide which deals with minority religions, have including Wicca.

Various U.S. courts have also recognized Wicca as a valid religion (e.g. a 1988 decision by a U.S. district court). "

This one actually goes back further than the first link I put up, which references the year 1990. Wanna go for link number 3?
 
you claim you was in
Click to expand...

I don't get where the idea comes from that people are inclined to lie about military service online. I don't think it happens so much, or there'd be a bunch of delta and seals on every forum. I mean, if someone is going to lie about being in the military, you'd think they'd go fighter pilot or special ops sniper. Maybe swat team leader. Who's like "I'm gonna pretend I was in the military, but just as a regular navy guy years ago".

Get a grip.

(I thought he was referring to redress but the point stands)
 
Last edited:
mac said:
no doma only really applies in specific cases....military members being one of them. further, said marriages could not be performed on federal instillations like military bases.
Click to expand...

DOMA applies to every same sex couple in the US because, even if they can get their state to legally recognize their marriage, the federal government does not because of DOMA.

It applies equally to military, government employees and civilians in that same sex marriages are not recognized by the federal government for any of them, which means that they are not getting the federal government benefits that are given to opposite sex marriages. Now, those benefits are greater for some people due to their government employment, but that is not uniques to same sex couples.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom