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    Re: Should Military Chaplains Be Allowed to Perform Same Sex Marriages?

    Quote Originally Posted by Alfons View Post
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    if a chaplain will perform a such 'service' he would became automatically no Christian and no Priest anymore, the Holy Bible says clearly against Homosexuality, therefore a such 'marriage' will be performed automatically by a non-Christian, therefore it will be not church marriage anymore and without any practically consequences.
    who says the chaplain has to be a Christian?
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    Re: Should Military Chaplains Be Allowed to Perform Same Sex Marriages?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    afraid i have to disagree. i am in the navy and that's not what we've been told. even with repeal of dadt...the military will not recognize ssm. nothing has been pu out about chaplains and marriage on base.
    Whether chaplains perform SSMs or not has nothing to do with whether the military will recognize the marriage(it won't). All this is is that the chaplains will perform the ceremony.
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    Re: Should Military Chaplains Be Allowed to Perform Same Sex Marriages?

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    who says the chaplain has to be a Christian?
    I am discussing only about Christians, what do Imams or Gurus is not my business.
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    Re: Should Military Chaplains Be Allowed to Perform Same Sex Marriages?

    Quote Originally Posted by Alfons View Post
    I am discussing only about Christians, what do Imams or Gurus is not my business.
    Neither is what individual Christian chaplains do.
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    Re: Should Military Chaplains Be Allowed to Perform Same Sex Marriages?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Whether chaplains perform SSMs or not has nothing to do with whether the military will recognize the marriage(it won't). All this is is that the chaplains will perform the ceremony.
    They'd have to be authorized to do so (they are required to follow regulations 24/7), to do it in the performance of their duties....it's not likely to be allowed on base without a DOMA repeal since all military Chapels are on federal property, and even if done "outside" their normal duties, they are still required to follow orders. All that being met, I would say they should be allowed to do whatever their beliefs, regulations and the laws allow.
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    Re: Should Military Chaplains Be Allowed to Perform Same Sex Marriages?

    Quote Originally Posted by Alfons View Post
    I am discussing only about Christians, what do Imams or Gurus is not my business.

    Gay Christians get married in Churches all the time:

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    Re: Should Military Chaplains Be Allowed to Perform Same Sex Marriages?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    They'd have to be authorized to do so, to do it in the performance of their duties....it's not likely to be allowed on base without a DOMA repeal since all military Chapels are on federal property, and even if done "outside" their normal duties, they are still required to follow orders. All that being met, I would say they should be allowed to do whatever their beliefs, regulations and the laws allow.
    No, no, and no. The civil ceremony(which is what chaplains perform) is not a legal thing, it is a ceremony and no more.
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    Re: Should Military Chaplains Be Allowed to Perform Same Sex Marriages?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    No, no, and no. The civil ceremony(which is what chaplains perform) is not a legal thing, it is a ceremony and no more.
    That doesn't matter and is not exactly true. The marriage license has to be "signed off" and that is normally done by a Priest/Pastor. Unless they were legally married by a JOP first. Still, it's a ceremony that's not likely to happen on base anytime soon.
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    Re: Should Military Chaplains Be Allowed to Perform Same Sex Marriages?

    Homosexuals already have ceremonial weddings even if they aren't legally contracted. I don't see what's wrong with allowing chaplains to preform a ceremony or signing a legal marriage contract in areas where gay marriage is legal.
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    Re: Should Military Chaplains Be Allowed to Perform Same Sex Marriages?

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Homosexuals already have ceremonial weddings even if they aren't legally contracted. I don't see what's wrong with allowing chaplains to preform a ceremony or signing a legal marriage contract in areas where gay marriage is legal.
    The problem is that Military bases are little chunks of the US gov, not the state. Military persons are never absolved from federal law regardless of where they are, and....Military Chaplains are officers in the military and must follow regulations.
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