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    Re: Should Military Chaplains Be Allowed to Perform Same Sex Marriages?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Because other events around the same time proved him unfit?

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    And to what events do you refer or are your just making baseless allegations?

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    Re: Should Military Chaplains Be Allowed to Perform Same Sex Marriages?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Thread that brought this on: http://www.debatepolitics.com/genera...marriages.html

    Note that I use the term "allowed", not "forced". No chaplain would be forced to perform such a service, but allowed if they chose to.
    there have been quite a few meetings and seminars - situational awareness and so on to emphasize the new rules and make sure personnel are all properly informed.

    According to my husband they are "allowed" and they are not being "forced" - they can say no. Chaplains are the only members of any service unit who can deny service to a gay couple. If anyone else denies any assistance, service or promotion, etc - big big trouble.

    I'm proud of my husband - he's going with the flow and, in fact, he's been complaining about people who - in these situational awareness setups - don't 'get' the new rules.
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    Re: Should Military Chaplains Be Allowed to Perform Same Sex Marriages?

    Quote Originally Posted by TOJ View Post
    So how many Wiccan military chaplains are allowed to serve those that follow that religion in the USA military?

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    Ideally, Wiccan chaplains should be allowed to serve, and chaplains of other faiths can hold interfaith services (so, for example, a rabbi can still serve the religious needs of a Wiccan). That being said, I remember a while back an Army chaplain was booted for converting to Wicca. That's wrong, IMO.
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    Re: Should Military Chaplains Be Allowed to Perform Same Sex Marriages?

    The thought is strange to me, and for some reason something inside of me wants to say no... but sure whynot, leave it up to the states.
    I dunno... it feels like the military looses man points

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    Re: Should Military Chaplains Be Allowed to Perform Same Sex Marriages?

    Quote Originally Posted by celticwar17 View Post
    The thought is strange to me, and for some reason something inside of me wants to say no... but sure whynot, leave it up to the states.
    I dunno... it feels like the military looses man points
    Man points are overrated. Although the thought that performing same-sex marriages will somehow substantively impact the military's manliness is laughable.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: Should Military Chaplains Be Allowed to Perform Same Sex Marriages?

    Quote Originally Posted by celticwar17 View Post
    The thought is strange to me, and for some reason something inside of me wants to say no... but sure whynot, leave it up to the states.
    I dunno... it feels like the military looses man points
    Really, all the man points lost by guys getting married will be gained by girls getting married





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    Re: Should Military Chaplains Be Allowed to Perform Same Sex Marriages?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Thread that brought this on: http://www.debatepolitics.com/genera...marriages.html

    Note that I use the term "allowed", not "forced". No chaplain would be forced to perform such a service, but allowed if they chose to.
    Most Chaplains are bound as much by the rules of their denomination as they are military regulations. Catholic priests, for example, will still not be allowed too regardless of the military stance on the issue. Another issue is DOMA. It covers all military members.
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    Re: Should Military Chaplains Be Allowed to Perform Same Sex Marriages?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Most Chaplains are bound as much by the rules of their denomination. Catholic priests, for example, will still not be allowed too regardless of the military stance on the issue. Another issue is DOMA. It covers all military members.
    An interesting point to observe going forward.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

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    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: Should Military Chaplains Be Allowed to Perform Same Sex Marriages?

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    An interesting point to observe going forward.
    Anything that gives the middle finger to DOMA is a good thing.
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    Re: Should Military Chaplains Be Allowed to Perform Same Sex Marriages?

    Quote Originally Posted by TOJ View Post
    So why was Don Larsen, a former Pentecostal military chaplain who converted to Wiccan, stripped of his chaplaincy and discharged from military service when he applied to be a Wiccan chaplain?


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    There had to have been something else going on there. When I was in the service we did have Wiccan chaplains. Not only that, my roomdog had "Satanist" listed as his religious preference on his dogtags. If you're trying to convince people that the military picks and chooses acceptable religions then I'm not going to take you seriously because I know better.

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