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    Re: Should Military Chaplains Be Allowed to Perform Same Sex Marriages?

    Quote Originally Posted by TOJ View Post
    I've heard that USA high schools are not allowed to have a prayer at any of their various functions. How is that different?

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    Off the top of my head, High School is required until 16. Military is strictly voluntary. The evening prayer is a good thing in the Navy. I can still hear the voice of the Catholic chaplain on the Eisenhower saying "and all of Ike says good night". It was somehow comforting.
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    Re: Should Military Chaplains Be Allowed to Perform Same Sex Marriages?

    Quote Originally Posted by TOJ View Post
    I've heard that USA high schools are not allowed to have a prayer at any of their various functions. How is that different?

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    I think that's an ACLU thing, and a chicken-****-HS-principal thing. Not real law, but fear of litigation.

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    Re: Should Military Chaplains Be Allowed to Perform Same Sex Marriages?

    Quote Originally Posted by LuckyDan View Post
    I think that's an ACLU thing, and a chicken-****-HS-principal thing. Not real law, but fear of litigation.

    Ah, but ain't that America?
    I think banning prayer in schools is idiotic, but that's just me. However, so is forcing people to participate in prayer.
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    Re: Should Military Chaplains Be Allowed to Perform Same Sex Marriages?

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    I think banning prayer in schools is idiotic, but that's just me. However, so is forcing people to participate in prayer.
    Prayer in school is not only legal, it is protected. What is unconstitutional is the school leading students in prayer.
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    Re: Should Military Chaplains Be Allowed to Perform Same Sex Marriages?

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    No, as long as all faiths are represented (or at least all faiths are served equally).
    So how many Wiccan military chaplains are allowed to serve those that follow that religion in the USA military?

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    Re: Should Military Chaplains Be Allowed to Perform Same Sex Marriages?

    Chaplains are not priests (or imams, or rabbis), they are counselors. I imagine they are versed in wiccan and would do further research for an individual. IIRC, chaplains do not need to be a specific religion to provide guidence regarding that religion.

    Dunno.

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    Re: Should Military Chaplains Be Allowed to Perform Same Sex Marriages?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Chaplains are not priests (or imams, or rabbis), they are counselors. I imagine they are versed in wiccan and would do further research for an individual. IIRC, chaplains do not need to be a specific religion to provide guidence regarding that religion.

    Dunno.
    When I was in the military they were Preists, Rabbi's and Preachers and yes you did not have to be of that religion for them to council you or comfort you.

    Whether SSM should be allowed or not aside. I have a question.
    How do you allows "SOME" chaplans to perform SSM that want too and not have the rest perform it. Another words if Im stationed in Guam and my Chaplan does not and the chaplan in California does. I cant but troops assigned there can. The military doesnt and has not ever operated like that.
    In the military its all or nothing, thats the way it has to be. General orders are just that, orders for everyone. You cant have one base doing what another base is not, that would be a drag on moral.
    The military is not about individuals its about the entire force.
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    Re: Should Military Chaplains Be Allowed to Perform Same Sex Marriages?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Chaplains are not priests (or imams, or rabbis), they are counselors. I imagine they are versed in wiccan and would do further research for an individual. IIRC, chaplains do not need to be a specific religion to provide guidence regarding that religion.

    Dunno.
    So why was Don Larsen, a former Pentecostal military chaplain who converted to Wiccan, stripped of his chaplaincy and discharged from military service when he applied to be a Wiccan chaplain?


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    Re: Should Military Chaplains Be Allowed to Perform Same Sex Marriages?

    Because other events around the same time proved him unfit?

    Dunno.

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    Re: Should Military Chaplains Be Allowed to Perform Same Sex Marriages?

    Quote Originally Posted by TOJ View Post
    I've heard that USA high schools are not allowed to have a prayer at any of their various functions. How is that different?

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    In my day, in places, prayer was forced.
    We have come a long way. Now its an optional or voluntarily thing, to the best of my knowledge.

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