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    Re: Should Military Chaplains Be Allowed to Perform Same Sex Marriages?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    No. A military officer can not even appear to be intentionally violating law.
    But it's not violating any law, they are not filling for a marriage license, so there is no law being broken. A religious SSM is not banned, and should never be banned, unless you don't care for the 1st Amendment.
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    Re: Should Military Chaplains Be Allowed to Perform Same Sex Marriages?

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    But it's not violating any law, they are not filling for a marriage license, so there is no law being broken. A religious SSM is not banned, and should never be banned, unless you don't care for the 1st Amendment.
    Yes, there is a law being broken. The chaplain would be confirming that marriage is between anyone, not just the legally defined one man and one woman. Being bound by it, he would be breaking it. He is never immune from federal law.

    It doesn't matter if he signs the state marriage license, or what legal weight it holds. It. Does. Not. Matter.
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    Re: Should Military Chaplains Be Allowed to Perform Same Sex Marriages?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Yes, there is a law being broken. The chaplain would be confirming that marriage is between anyone, not just the legally defined one man and one woman. Being bound by it, he would be breaking it. He is never immune from federal law.

    It doesn't matter if he signs the state marriage license, or what legal weight it holds. It. Does. Not. Matter.
    DOMA defines marriage as one man, and one woman, legally, they are the only people who can file for a marriage license, and have it be recognized by the Fed. Having a religious, non legal SSM ceremony in no way violates DOMA, and is the military members religious right to have done if they so wish.
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    Re: Should Military Chaplains Be Allowed to Perform Same Sex Marriages?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Yes, there is a law being broken. The chaplain would be confirming that marriage is between anyone, not just the legally defined one man and one woman. Being bound by it, he would be breaking it. He is never immune from federal law.

    It doesn't matter if he signs the state marriage license, or what legal weight it holds. It. Does. Not. Matter.
    So then, you are saying that chaplain will also not be allowed to conduct marriage counseling with a homosexual service member, even if that chaplain is of a faith that accepts same sex marriages? How right is that? How can that in any way be fair?
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    Re: Should Military Chaplains Be Allowed to Perform Same Sex Marriages?

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    DOMA defines marriage as one man, and one woman, legally, they are the only people who can file for a marriage license, and have it be recognized by the Fed. Having a religious, non legal SSM ceremony in no way violates DOMA, and is the military members religious right to have done if they so wish.
    And they can do that, the Military Chaplain can not officiate it though.
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    Re: Should Military Chaplains Be Allowed to Perform Same Sex Marriages?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    So then, you are saying that chaplain will also not be allowed to conduct marriage counseling with a homosexual service member, even if that chaplain is of a faith that accepts same sex marriages? How right is that? How can that in any way be fair?
    A chaplain can perform counseling without recognizing the marriage, that isn't the same thing.
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    Re: Should Military Chaplains Be Allowed to Perform Same Sex Marriages?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    And they can do that, the Military Chaplain can not officiate it though.
    Why not? He's preforming a purely religious function, why should his 1st Amendment rights be taken away?
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    Re: Should Military Chaplains Be Allowed to Perform Same Sex Marriages?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    A chaplain can perform counseling without recognizing the marriage, that isn't the same thing.

    Only because of military policy not DOMA.

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    Re: Should Military Chaplains Be Allowed to Perform Same Sex Marriages?

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Only because of military policy not DOMA.
    Uhm, yeah, so?
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    Re: Should Military Chaplains Be Allowed to Perform Same Sex Marriages?

    DOMA deals with the legal aspect of marriage, not the religious. A military chaplain can preform any religious ceremony he wants.
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