View Poll Results: What type of Equality should the government seek to assure for its citizens?

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  • Equal treatment

    17 77.27%
  • Equal opportunity

    15 68.18%
  • Equal effect

    1 4.55%
  • Equal assets

    2 9.09%
  • Equal existence

    1 4.55%
  • The government should not attempt to ensure any kind of equality

    1 4.55%
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    Re: Equality

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Equal opportunity, and that is all.

    Equal treatment was tempting, but standing alone it is too broad. Equal treatment by whom, and under what circumstances? Must I treat a stranger the same way I'd treat a family member or close friend? Too broad, yes.
    That is a good point, but I took it to mean equal treatment outside of actions in a legal sense. I mean yes we treat criminals differently than noncriminals, but that is based on actions. However, we should not treat blacks differently from Hindu's different from gays different from WASPs in terms of the law.

    Not sure if I managed to phrase that clearly, but I think it should be clear.
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    Re: Equality

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Equal opportunity, and that is all.

    Equal treatment was tempting, but standing alone it is too broad. Equal treatment by whom, and under what circumstances? Must I treat a stranger the same way I'd treat a family member or close friend? Too broad, yes.
    I'm assuming it was meant to mean equal treatment by the government.
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    Re: Equality

    The cutting edge between Left and Right is the stance on liberty vs. equality.

    Libs love, love, love LOVE equality,even if it means we're all of us poor and unmarried. As long as we're equal.

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    Re: Equality

    Quote Originally Posted by LuckyDan View Post
    The cutting edge between Left and Right is the stance on liberty vs. equality.

    Libs love, love, love LOVE equality,even if it means we're all of us poor and unmarried. As long as we're equal.
    I disagree. I think the real cutting edge between left and right is differing definitions of "freedom," but yes equality is important as well.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    I disagree. I think the real cutting edge between left and right is differing definitions of "freedom," but yes equality is important as well.
    But ask yourself, SB, which party seeks equality thru legislation? The Reps or the Dems?

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    Re: Equality

    Quote Originally Posted by LuckyDan View Post
    But ask yourself, SB, which party seeks equality thru legislation? The Reps or the Dems?
    I agree, libs emphasize equality. I'm just saying I don't see that as where exactly the left and right diverge in their ideologies, but it's a part of it. I don't see this issue as the defining separator between left and right.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: Equality

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    I agree, libs emphasize equality. I'm just saying I don't see that as where exactly the left and right diverge in their ideologies, but it's a part of it. I don't see this issue as the defining separator between left and right.
    Election season is canking up. Listen to the dems and listen to the reps. Listen for who talks more about equality and who talks more about liberty and I think you will change your mind.

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    Re: Equality

    Quote Originally Posted by LuckyDan View Post
    Election season is canking up. Listen to the dems and listen to the reps. Listen for who talks more about equality and who talks more about liberty and I think you will change your mind.
    I don't put too much stock in rhetoric, when it comes to election season all I care about is people coming up with sensible solutions to solve complex problems.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: Equality

    ah right den

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    Re: Equality

    Equality in rights, not salary or talents.
    Last edited by Canell; 05-10-11 at 01:26 AM.

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