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    Pakistan pays US lobbyists $75K a month to ensure their foreign aid...

    Pakistan is paying US lobbyists $75K a month to ensure that they'll get the $2 billion in foreign aid that's in our 2012 budget. Pakistan pays U.S. lobbyists to deny it helped bin Laden | Reuters

    Don't foreign countries even have to "play nice" to get money from US taxpayers?

    There is absolutely no way the government of Pakistan didn't know that OBL was hiding in plain sight:

    A unique compound with 12-ft barbed-wire topped walls in a subdivision of military (and other) retirees...down the street from the police station...a short distance to the Pakistani equivalent of West Point...registered under a bogus name...built with "entrapment corridors" inside the walls...no garbage service like everyone else (they burned theirs)...I'm sure there's more.

    Do you think the United States should continue giving foreign aid to Pakistan?
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    Re: Pakistan pays US lobbyists $75K a month to ensure their foreign aid...

    If we want to continue our mission in Afghanistan I don't see that we have much of a choice, unless we want to shift the burden onto Afghanistan's northern neighbors, the other "'Stans"
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    Re: Pakistan pays US lobbyists $75K a month to ensure their foreign aid...

    As much as I don't want us giving taxpayer-funded bribes to any country around the world... and as much as I'd like to take Pakistan's "foreign aid" and ram it up their collective butts... SB75 is right. As long as we're in Afghanistan we need to grit our teeth and continue paying them off. But damn, it stings.

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    Re: Pakistan pays US lobbyists $75K a month to ensure their foreign aid...

    I voted no.Of course I think all foreign aid should be cut off period.
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    Re: Pakistan pays US lobbyists $75K a month to ensure their foreign aid...

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    As much as I don't want us giving taxpayer-funded bribes to any country around the world... and as much as I'd like to take Pakistan's "foreign aid" and ram it up their collective butts... SB75 is right. As long as we're in Afghanistan we need to grit our teeth and continue paying them off. But damn, it stings.
    It's not even just that. Pakistan has nukes. We also know that they are probably the biggest hotbed of Islamic violent extremism in the world, and although it seems that their government/security apparatus has firm control of those weapons for now, it could potentially become a precarious situation. Our mission in Afghanistan cannot be divorced from the happenings in Pakistan. The war is happening in both countries; it just so happens that we can only fight it in one.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

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    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: Pakistan pays US lobbyists $75K a month to ensure their foreign aid...

    Pakistan isn't getting "aid". It is a direct bribe to the government in return for conducting attacks on their soil and keeping the supply route open. It is a simple quid-pro-quo agreement. If we cut off aid, we have to pull out of Afghanistan and stop hunting for terrorists on their soil.

    In addition, keeping their current regime stable also provides a better safeguard on their nuclear weapons. There may be other options than throwing money at the problem, but it would be dangerous to cut off the aid without an alternative plan in place.

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    Re: Pakistan pays US lobbyists $75K a month to ensure their foreign aid...

    How is it that our system provides a foreign govt with more access and influence in our American govt than American citizens have?

    I think the system is broken.
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Pakistan pays US lobbyists $75K a month to ensure their foreign aid...

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    How is it that our system provides a foreign govt with more access and influence in our American govt than American citizens have?

    I think the system is broken.
    Americans have plenty of influence. We don't use it effectively.
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    Re: Pakistan pays US lobbyists $75K a month to ensure their foreign aid...

    I feel like replying like Moynihan would to one of his staffers saying they should stop funding something because it is not quite working out the way they desire:

    "Oh?..."
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    Re: Pakistan pays US lobbyists $75K a month to ensure their foreign aid...

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Pakistan is paying US lobbyists $75K a month to ensure that they'll get the $2 billion in foreign aid that's in our 2012 budget. Pakistan pays U.S. lobbyists to deny it helped bin Laden | Reuters

    Don't foreign countries even have to "play nice" to get money from US taxpayers?

    There is absolutely no way the government of Pakistan didn't know that OBL was hiding in plain sight:

    A unique compound with 12-ft barbed-wire topped walls in a subdivision of military (and other) retirees...down the street from the police station...a short distance to the Pakistani equivalent of West Point...registered under a bogus name...built with "entrapment corridors" inside the walls...no garbage service like everyone else (they burned theirs)...I'm sure there's more.

    Do you think the United States should continue giving foreign aid to Pakistan?
    Yes and for one reason, they have nukes and we should seek to influence them as much as possible and gain as much control over those nukes as we can.

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