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    Re: Should the USA send troops in Syria?

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    Oh, absolutely.
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    Re: Should the USA send troops in Syria?

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    Oh, absolutely.
    Now that was undoubtedly sarcastic.
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    Re: Should the USA send troops in Syria?

    Quote Originally Posted by Juiposa View Post
    Now that was undoubtedly sarcastic.
    no, no, no. I meant my first post definitely was sarcastic. I think we should get the hell out of every place we can safely leave. I think we should revise treaties and agreements that have our troups in Japan and Germany and anywhere else that we're really just wasting time and money on and bring 'em home. I think the next time some a-hole with a power trip wants to take over Europe we should wait until every single country being occupied is begging us to come into it, and we should make them sign an agreement to shut the hell up about American arrogance once we take care of the bad guy for them.

    I also think they should solve their own damned problems instead of asking us to step in.
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    Re: Should the USA send troops in Syria?

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    no, no, no. I meant my first post definitely was sarcastic. I think we should get the hell out of every place we can safely leave. I think we should revise treaties and agreements that have our troups in Japan and Germany and anywhere else that we're really just wasting time and money on and bring 'em home. I think the next time some a-hole with a power trip wants to take over Europe we should wait until every single country being occupied is begging us to come into it, and we should make them sign an agreement to shut the hell up about American arrogance once we take care of the bad guy for them.

    I also think they should solve their own damned problems instead of asking us to step in.

    Okay, sorry, your one post there was written how it would have been said if said sarcastically. And as for the description, I agree with it all. ^_^
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    Re: Should the USA send troops in Syria?

    Quote Originally Posted by Juiposa View Post
    Lol, I guess so, but I' support any action in Syria if it was UN sanctioned. So if Ban-ki Moon said go ahead blow the country apart, I'd be okay with it ^_^
    really. you need the UN's moral authority to decide that the Assad regime is dangerous to the world at large and deadly to his people at home? that bunch of crooks and thugs has to give Canada moral authority?

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    Re: Should the USA send troops in Syria?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    really. you need the UN's moral authority to decide that the Assad regime is dangerous to the world at large and deadly to his people at home? that bunch of crooks and thugs has to give Canada moral authority?
    To an extent, but I 95% of the time agree with UN resolutions. Again that's to an extent, I will know when I don't like it.

    And yes, I believe UN consent is very important, it can be debated in the assembly, giving the views of everybody. Not just the acting party and how they think it will be good.
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    Re: Should the USA send troops in Syria?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    No, we should not send troops ANYWHERE. Enough playing the world's policeman, bring everyone home and stop running around the planet wiggling our dicks.
    And what would happen, do you think?

    I think we're over-committed - but pulling out won't solve anything. We *are* (unfortunately) the world's policeman - we created this odd status and now we must maintain it for the security of the world - joined with other countries, not just us alone.

    Imagine how different WWII would have been if we didn't have a foothold on islands in the Pacific.

    Our presence acts as a lilly pad - a nuisance but a benefit at the same time.


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    I don't have one to wiggle.

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    Re: Should the USA send troops in Syria?

    you can't stop terrorism; but you can sure as hell make it harder for those stationary actors who support it to do so.
    It is possible, but not with the plan you are proposing.

    wrong. if Syria is weakened internally they are busy fighting off a rebellion with reduced resources. How do you take tanks against the rebels when every tank column you have is smoking hulks?
    Libya has better terrain, a weaker government, much stronger rebels, other nations in support and we still haven't gone anywhere. The conditions in Syria are far less favorable and you have to factor in the possibility of the rebels turning against us.


    we need to destroy their fixed positions, their hardened positions, their critical facilities, and tear their order of battle to shreds. We can reduce their EW and IADS capability to jack-all, which would enable any future US or Israeli strike that becomes necessary. Once we have accomplished our SEAD we can split our focus between conventional and asymetric network targets. Let a weakened and leaderless Hezbollah shift from being an offensive force to being one of Syria's few remaining internal supports - that will degrade the Regimes' legitimacy at home and reduce their ability to strike abroad.
    None of those factors matter in sponsoring terrorism. Syria isn't smuggling an air defense network across the border into Iraq. Small arms and explosives are what kill our troops, and you can't stop those from the air.

    which is why it is the perfect time for us to come and handle this before we have to do so in a more difficult environment.

    because make no mistake - they are our enemy. and eventually we will.
    Why, because your crystal ball says it is inevitable?

    advantageous position to do what? watch Iran continue to expand it's influence and power over the Middle East? No Thanks. This is a chance to bloody their nose and we should take it.
    Once, again your plan actually makes the situation worse. A weakened and angry Syria will move even further into the Iranian camp.

    Foreign policy is the national interest, not inventing paper-thin justifications to satisfy fantasies of blowing stuff up.

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    Re: Should the USA send troops in Syria?

    Quote Originally Posted by Juiposa View Post
    I put no, because you guys suck at peacekeeping ^_^ You specialise at blowing everything up. I'd support Canada going in, only if it was UN sanctioned.
    So, if the UN approved, you would support Canada sending their plane (Piper Cub I think I read somewhere)? Would you also support Canada sending all 10 of their ground troops, again assuming the UN gave permission?

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    Re: Should the USA send troops in Syria?

    Absolutely not.

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