View Poll Results: Will you vote for Herman Cain in the primary?

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  • Absolutely! He's the man!

    91 65.94%
  • Yes, I will

    7 5.07%
  • I'm leaning that way

    7 5.07%
  • Absolutely not! What a loser

    2 1.45%
  • No I will not

    12 8.70%
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    Re: Will you vote for Herman Cain in the primary?

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    You'd vote for "blame America first" and "I wouldn't have killed Bin laden like that" Ron Paul, before you'd vote for Herman Cain?
    You are distorting Paul's views. I don't blame you; the entire media does. In 2008 I bought into it too; I never bothered actually listening and doing research on my own. He does not "blame America" for the actions of other countries. He is only trying to get us to look at our interventionist foreign policy and its unintended consequences, just as government economic intervention has unintended consequences. He is consistent; what makes us think that government can be highly effective abroad but not at home?

    But let's face it. Anyone can draw the logical conclusion that when a government bombs people for multiple years those policies will create enemies that want to hurt American citizens. This is exactly what Thomas Jefferson warned about. Paul does not blame the US for 9/11, and he has consistently and vehemently attacked those who committed the deed. He in no way calls it justfied. But he takes the time to see why such people were motivated for such an attack. It is not simply Islam. We need to be honest with ourselves.

    As for Bin Laden, Paul did argue that what Obama did was far better than invading countries and engaging in nation building. Listen to this speech by Paul to see what he is really trying to say. He is simply saying we don't have the money to engage in so much wars (he is right) and that president's have abused power by invading countries to nation build without the consent of Congress.
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    I believed in 2008 that Paul was dead wrong on foreign policy. I still called myself a conservative. But I was wrong, and I admit it. How can we honestly say that our actions in the middle east have no repurcussions? If the US were continually bombed by other countries, killing civilians despite the intentions of the bombers, we too would be upset. Yet anyone who suggests such is called unpatriotic. I find engaging in such wars to be unpatriotic because they raise the national debt, break the constitution, kill American lives, and break the traditions of the first patriots of this nation: the founding fathers.

    With that said, even if Paul had a foreign policy I disagreed with 100%, I would still vote for Paul because Cain wont even say what his is. Plus, this election my key issue is the economy. Paul is the strongest on that issue. Hermain Cain said his plan won't work now...which makes little sense. I honestly don't think he knows what he is talking about, and I question his motives.
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    Re: Will you vote for Herman Cain in the primary?

    Yeah I will agree with the other guys if I had to choose Paul or Cain I would say Paul 100%. He is the only Republican I can think of that I 100% agree with on some things such as war on drugs, foreign policy, auditing the fed (although dismantling it not so much). However I don't agree with most of his social values, education, and how he views the economy overall. If the Tea Party had never been hijacked by Fox News and sorts like that, he would be their leader, then again the Tea Party also would have never gained such prominence either....
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    Re: Will you vote for Herman Cain in the primary?

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    I am only familiar with him from the last debate, and he offered nothing substantial to my ears.

    If his positions are just a 180 from progressives, where he wants a one size fits all federal policy to handle his views on social policy, then I'll look elsewhere. Social conservatives that embolden federal powers instead of reimplementing state powers scare me.

    Anyway, now is the time to keep an open mind, and I am trying to do that. It is human nature to get turned off my the people one is surrounded by. Ron Paul supporters never learned that fact.
    I've been following Cain since 2009 waiting for the day he would run. I think you could say, it's a pretty good bet, he'll get my vote.
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    Re: Will you vote for Herman Cain in the primary?

    I believe in foreign intervention if necessary to our national security interests. I am against nation building because it is a form of international welfare and doesn't help us. Might sound like I only care about us, and thats about right.
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    Re: Will you vote for Herman Cain in the primary?

    Ron Paul, with regards to the Middle East and the "blame america first" label, suffers the same issue as people who suggest women should avoid dark alleys, going out alone, and wearing extremely revealing clothing if they get raped and spend 99% of the time talking about all the bad decisions the women made and 1% of the time talking about the guy that actually DID the raping.

    Even if his intent is honest and correct, which it is, like so many things with Ron Paul he blows at attempting to explain it to a lay person. Its his absolute, without a doubt, biggest issue and why he's never going to be a viable Presidential candidate.

    That said, I actually agree with ARC for once. One of Paul's greatest assets and worst vices at the same time were his supporters. Its no where near as bad with Cain fans at the moment, but if it starts going down that path its going to be bad news for Cain.

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    Re: Will you vote for Herman Cain in the primary?

    I am against nation building because it is a form of international welfare and doesn't help us.
    As an international welfarist, my safety net is minimal - democracy and basic human rights. I see it as a rational compromise needed for the system to work (like basic education for an informed consumer). It does help me when my brothers are liberated. I sleep better.
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    Re: Will you vote for Herman Cain in the primary?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    As an international welfarist, my safety net is minimal - democracy and basic human rights.

    It does help me when my brothers are liberated. I sleep better.
    I believe Iraqi intervention was necessary(there WAS chemical weapons), as was setting up elections and government. Was building the country again necessary?
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    Re: Will you vote for Herman Cain in the primary?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lakryte View Post

    With that said, even if Paul had a foreign policy I disagreed with 100%, I would still vote for Paul because Cain wont even say what his is. Plus, this election my key issue is the economy. Paul is the strongest on that issue. Hermain Cain said his plan won't work now...which makes little sense. I honestly don't think he knows what he is talking about, and I question his motives.
    Not all... Cain's foreign policy is more honest then any other attempt in US history... if you dont know why, you arnt thinking hard enough.
    There is a reason Obama completely flip-flopped on his foreign policy going into presidency... it's because he became president and was informed on everything that is going down... not the random media speculations. There is no way you can understand the actual issue unless you are the president of the US because of national security. I have a friend who knows two south African secret operatives and they have said the world only knows half the story on everything and how close things come to catastrophe in certain areas every week.

    This is why Cain's intuition on foreign policy is the best any american can ask for... he will listen to the experts and make an informed logical decision on everything from there based on good american values... he's not pretending to know what it's gonna be like to be president.
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    Re: Will you vote for Herman Cain in the primary?

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnWOlin View Post
    Yeah I will agree with the other guys if I had to choose Paul or Cain I would say Paul 100%. He is the only Republican I can think of that I 100% agree with on some things such as war on drugs, foreign policy, auditing the fed (although dismantling it not so much). However I don't agree with most of his social values, education, and how he views the economy overall. If the Tea Party had never been hijacked by Fox News and sorts like that, he would be their leader, then again the Tea Party also would have never gained such prominence either....
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    Re: Will you vote for Herman Cain in the primary?

    Was building the country again necessary?
    Again? It was a pile of intellectual ash left by Stalin-like tyranny and actual genocide.

    Getting it into some kind of basic shape was needed. The democratic infrastructure was minimal and the existence of educated free-thinkers almost non. Saddam was allowed to slaughter anyone who was bright and progressive for too long, and intellectual Iraq was left a wasteland. Free press, free elections and such were nearly alien. It was an almost insurmountable task, but Iraq is some semblence of a democracy (as crooked as the leaders may be) and has some basic human rights. I think they will progress now, after decades of stagnation.

    Iran will be much easier as there remains intellectuals, professors, students and businessmen who are not fanatic to the regime. We've seen their protests.
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