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Cain: 'American People Are Anxious for Solutions'

Does Herman Cain get your vote for President in 2012?

  • Yes

    Votes: 10 31.3%

  • No

    Votes: 11 34.4%

  • I don't know

    Votes: 10 31.3%

  • Who?

    Votes: 1 3.1%
  • Total voters
    32
Your Star said:
So people on the left aren't "real" Americans?
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No, they're not. Real Americans use their own money to promote the social projects they approve of, they don't steal from others to fund things in violation of the Constitution.
 
Barbbtx said:
Ok I found this.
He has very sound reasoning in my opinion.
North Star Writers Group - Syndicated Commentary: Opinion, Humor and Features
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The passage of TARP is often cited as a catalyst for the growth of the Tea Party. It is surprising that any "real" conservative would be fine with the federal government intervening in privately owned businesses to such a great degree as TARP did.

What ever happened to letting poorly run companies fail and letting the free market sort out which companies would succeed the failed ones?
 
Spaceman_Spiff said:
The passage of TARP is often cited as a catalyst for the growth of the Tea Party. It is surprising that any "real" conservative would be fine with the federal government intervening in privately owned businesses to such a great degree as TARP did.

What ever happened to letting poorly run companies fail and letting the free market sort out which companies would succeed the failed ones?
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Well, like I said he explained his reasoning in the article he wrote back when it was happening. He has been involved with the tea party movement since the start, so apparantly they didn't hold it against him. I haven't found anything yet about the stimulus spending and his opinion.
 
Barbbtx said:
Well, like I said he explained his reasoning in the article he wrote back when it was happening. He has been involved with the tea party movement since the start, so apparently they didn't hold it against him. I haven't found anything yet about the stimulus spending and his opinion.
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I am fine with his stance toward TARP and actually agree with him. The only difference is I am more fiscally liberal who thinks government intervention in the economy is not always a bad thing. Compare that with Mr. Cain, who feels that government is a shackle that slows economic growth.

You are his most ardent supporter on this board, and you were unaware of his stance on TARP. Is it really that hard to believe that many Tea Partiers do not hold it against him because they do not know that he supported it?
 
Spaceman_Spiff said:
I am fine with his stance toward TARP and actually agree with him. The only difference is I am more fiscally liberal who thinks government intervention in the economy is not always a bad thing. Compare that with Mr. Cain, who feels that government is a shackle that slows economic growth.

You are his most ardent supporter on this board, and you were unaware of his stance on TARP. Is it really that hard to believe that many Tea Partiers do not hold it against him because they do not know that he supported it?
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That could be, however, many ardent tea party supporters also think there wasn't a lot of choice when it came to TARP. Apparently, the whole economy was going to collapse if we didn't pass it. At least that's what we were led to believe.
What were Bush's words? I know my stomach did a roll when he said it.
"We have to give up the free market, so we can save it?" Something like that. Anyway, people still insist we had to do it. Cain is a successful businessman, and he thought it was the right thing to do.
 
Barbbtx said:
That could be, however, many ardent tea party supporters also think there wasn't a lot of choice when it came to TARP. Apparently, the whole economy was going to collapse if we didn't pass it. At least that's what we were led to believe.
What were Bush's words? I know my stomach did a roll when he said it.
"We have to give up the free market, so we can save it?" Something like that. Anyway, people still insist we had to do it. Cain is a successful businessman, and he thought it was the right thing to do.
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Well, yes, many Americans wanted the federal government to do something to avert what appeared to be probably the worst economic collapse since the Great Depression. Except even at that time there were plenty of Americans, mostly the earliest of the current Tea Party members, that opposed TARP or any form of government intervention.

You mentioned that many economists claimed that our nation's economy was teetering on the edge of a cliff, thus the reason why some Tea Partiers begrudgingly supported TARP. My question to you is, why does any of that matter? If a person feels that government can only get in the way when it comes to the economy, then why not let the free market do its thing? Had the economy completely crumbled, then that was the price we as Americans had to pay for over 30 years of our own overindulgence and irresponsible behavior.

I will wait to see how Herman Cain responds to this article as it becomes more well known. I will gladly give him credit if he sticks by his convictions, but I have a feeling that he will backtrack as fast as he can from his support of TARP.
 
Spaceman_Spiff said:
Well, yes, many Americans wanted the federal government to do something to avert what appeared to be probably the worst economic collapse since the Great Depression. Except even at that time there were plenty of Americans, mostly the earliest of the current Tea Party members, that opposed TARP or any form of government intervention.

You mentioned that many economists claimed that our nation's economy was teetering on the edge of a cliff, thus the reason why some Tea Partiers begrudgingly supported TARP. My question to you is, why does any of that matter? If a person feels that government can only get in the way when it comes to the economy, then why not let the free market do its thing? Had the economy completely crumbled, then that was the price we as Americans had to pay for over 30 years of our own overindulgence and irresponsible behavior.

I will wait to see how Herman Cain responds to this article as it becomes more well known. I will gladly give him credit if he sticks by his convictions, but I have a feeling that he will backtrack as fast as he can from his support of TARP.
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Because, according to these people, the government helped caused the problem and it would be foolish to let the entire system collapse. Its better to prop it up and reform than suffer unnecessarily.
 
Barbbtx said:
That could be, however, many ardent tea party supporters also think there wasn't a lot of choice when it came to TARP. Apparently, the whole economy was going to collapse if we didn't pass it. At least that's what we were led to believe.
What were Bush's words? I know my stomach did a roll when he said it.
"We have to give up the free market, so we can save it?" Something like that. Anyway, people still insist we had to do it. Cain is a successful businessman, and he thought it was the right thing to do.
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it turns out he is a federal reserve banker crony, of course he argues that taxpayers had to bail out the failed cronie banks, but the tea party will not be in favor of his position when they learn it.
 
ARealConservative said:
it turns out he is a federal reserve banker crony, of course he argues that taxpayers had to bail out the failed cronie banks, but the tea party will not be in favor of his position when they learn it.
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Can't completely end the fed without ending fractional reserve banking system. How many TEA partiers want to start paying to bank?
 
ARealConservative said:
it turns out he is a federal reserve banker crony, of course he argues that taxpayers had to bail out the failed cronie banks, but the tea party will not be in favor of his position when they learn it.
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It's no secret that he was chairman. It's right here in his quite impressive resume.
The Ron Pauletties are out in full force making a big deal out of it. Paul wants to close down the fed. What's he going to be put in it's place? Are we going to put that responsibility in the hands of congress? They'd have the printing presses running 24/7.

Through these and other appearances on behalf of the National Restaurant Association, I began working with business leaders across all sectors of the American economy. This led to my acceptance of a position on the Board of Directors of the Federal Reserve Bank of Kansas City, and I was subsequently elected their chairman.
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Herman Cain - Presidential Exploratory Committee
 
VanceMack said:
I dont think 2012 matters. Its not in play.
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I would agree, I haven't seen any potential candidates that I think could beat Obama next year. :sun
 
Catawba said:
I would agree, I haven't seen any potential candidates that I think could beat Obama next year. :sun
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Anyone could beat Obama.

He's not a true American.

People like Bachmann and Palin are... and will beat him easily.
 
Jetboogieman said:
Anyone could beat Obama.

He's not a true American.

People like Bachmann and Palin are... and will beat him easily.
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LOL! You would think that would be the case, wouldn't you? I mean here we have a Muslim imposter from Kenya, clearly out to destroy America (as described by the 47% of the Republicans polled as birthers) and yet it appears all of the strongest GOP candidates have decided to wait for 2016 to run rather than risk a loss to Obama.

Real mystery huh? :sun
 
Catawba said:
LOL! You would think that would be the case, wouldn't you? I mean here we have a Muslim imposter from Kenya, clearly out to destroy America (as described by the 47% of the Republicans polled as birthers) and yet it appears all of the strongest GOP candidates have decided to wait for 2016 to run rather than risk a loss to Obama.

Real mystery huh? :sun
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Its always an uphill struggle running against a first term incumbent, but its been done. Jimmy Carter and GBush senior for two more recent. Obama is in a worse position than both Carter and Bush when they lost, he has the bad ingredients from both their presidencies against him.
The only way Obama will win is if the GOP candidate presents themselvs and their polices as more looney right that Obamas is looney left. I dont see the moderate independents going gungho for him again this go round
 
lpast said:
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The only way Obama will win is if the GOP candidate presents themselvs and their polices as more looney right that Obamas is looney left. I dont see the moderate independents going gungho for him again this go round
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They will because republicans have been shooting themselves in the foot all over the country by focusing on social issues in states, attacking planned parenthood, attacking medicare and medicaid, etc.
 
lpast said:
Its always an uphill struggle running against a first term incumbent, but its been done. Jimmy Carter and GBush senior for two more recent. Obama is in a worse position than both Carter and Bush when they lost, he has the bad ingredients from both their presidencies against him.
The only way Obama will win is if the GOP candidate presents themselvs and their polices as more looney right that Obamas is looney left. I dont see the moderate independents going gungho for him again this go round
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Who do you see the independents going for as an alternative to Obama, and why is he or she waiting so long to come forward?
 
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Catawba said:
LOL! You would think that would be the case, wouldn't you? I mean here we have a Muslim imposter from Kenya, clearly out to destroy America (as described by the 47% of the Republicans polled as birthers) and yet it appears all of the strongest GOP candidates have decided to wait for 2016 to run rather than risk a loss to Obama.

Real mystery huh? :sun
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Since the birth certificate was released that number is down to 14%. How's the 50% dems are truthers working out? Think they'll ever change or will they continue to believe that crap? How many years has that been going on? Oh yea, close to 10 yrs now.
 
Barbbtx said:
Since the birth certificate was released that number is down to 14%. How's the 50% dems are truthers working out? Think they'll ever change or will they continue to believe that crap? How many years has that been going on? Oh yea, close to 10 yrs now.
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You mean since the second birth certificate was released? So we still have 47% of Republicans who didn't believe the original, official birth certificate. And of course he is out to destroy America becuase your idol, Glen Beck has said so!

So how hard is it to beat a president out to destroy America? :sun

BTW, 50% of the Dems do not believe that the US blew up its own buildings either.
 
Catawba said:
You mean since the second birth certificate was released? So we still have 47% of Republicans who didn't believe the original, official birth certificate. And of course he is out to destroy America becuase your idol, Glen Beck has said so!

So how hard is it to beat a president out to destroy America? :sun

BTW, 50% of the Dems do not believe that the US blew up its own buildings either.
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50% of Dems think Bush was complicite in it. That makes them truthers. If they someday figure out he wasn't, then they no longer will be truthers.
 
Barbbtx said:
50% of Dems think Bush was complicite in it. That makes them truthers. If they someday figure out he wasn't, then they no longer will be truthers.
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Show your evidence of this claim. :sun
 
Barbbtx said:
Here ya go

More than half of Democrats believed Bush knew - Ben Smith - POLITICO.com


{{yawn}} night night
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I followed the link in your article to the original 2006 poll and here is what I found it actually says:

"More than a third of the American public suspects that federal officials assisted in the 9/11 terrorist attacks or took no action to stop them so the United States could go to war in the Middle East, according to a new Scripps Howard/Ohio University poll."

"The national survey of 1,010 adults also found that anger against the federal government is at record levels, with 54 percent saying they "personally are more angry" at the government than they used to be."

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