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    Re: Cain: 'American People Are Anxious for Solutions'

    Quote Originally Posted by Mayor Snorkum View Post
    No, that's wrong.

    A real conservative has a distinct religious CHRISTIAN component to their political beliefs. They use that, instead of reason, as the basis of their political ideology.

    Ask a real libertarian where rights come from, and you'll get a dissertation on how "rights" are a concept in defining the acceptable parameters of interpersonal relations and what limits government should have in them.

    A real conservative says "rights come from God" and that's the end of that.

    A liberal/socialist/fascist/communist/Democrat/statist says a man's rights exist only insofar as they serve the good of the state.
    If that's true than there are very few conservatives, including myself. Who says you have to be a christian and read the bible to be a real conservative? Sure, a lot of conservatives are christian, but it's not a requirement.
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    Re: Cain: 'American People Are Anxious for Solutions'

    Quote Originally Posted by xpiher View Post
    I'm of the belief that "real conservatives" aren't american conservatives because they don't follow what the founders said they should and force religion down people's throats via the law.




    Sure they do, they believe America should be governed, at least somewhat, biblically. Gay marriage anyone
    Gay marriage and abortions should be left up to the states. Federal Governments has no business in such things.
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    Re: Cain: 'American People Are Anxious for Solutions'

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    Gay marriage and abortions should be left up to the states. Federal Governments has no business in such things.
    I would say its not even a state issue. However, what happens when 1 state allows it and the other doesn't?

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    Re: Cain: 'American People Are Anxious for Solutions'

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    If that's true than there are very few conservatives, including myself. Who says you have to be a christian and read the bible to be a real conservative? Sure, a lot of conservatives are christian, but it's not a requirement.
    People that don't have those particular religious hangups are more libertarian than conservative.

    Another distinguishing trait of conservatives is their desire to use government force to compel conformance to their vision of social norms. Conservatives oppose drug-freedoms, for example. They typically oppose same-sex marriages, for another.

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    Re: Cain: 'American People Are Anxious for Solutions'

    Quote Originally Posted by xpiher View Post
    I would say its not even a state issue. However, what happens when 1 state allows it and the other doesn't?
    Irrelevant on the abortion issue.

    The Full Faith and Credit Clause of the Constitution, however, makes same sex marriage a national issue. A marriage in Connecticut is recognized as a marriage in California. A state authoriziing same-sex marriages compels all other states to accept that as equally valid as heterosexual marriages. The DOMA was a lame attempt to bypass the Full Faith etc, and when a case challenging that finally gets to the Supreme Court, DOMA is going away.

    So-called conservatives are going to freak!

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    Re: Cain: 'American People Are Anxious for Solutions'

    Quote Originally Posted by xpiher View Post
    I would say its not even a state issue. However, what happens when 1 state allows it and the other doesn't?
    Abortion, go to another state if you absolutely insist on an abortion.
    Gay marriage, figure it out for yourself I guess. I imagine all states will eventually allow gay marriage or civil unions that allow for all the benefits of marriage. It doesn't look like it's getting done any faster at the federal level.
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    Re: Cain: 'American People Are Anxious for Solutions'

    Quote Originally Posted by Mayor Snorkum View Post
    People that don't have those particular religious hangups are more libertarian than conservative.

    Another distinguishing trait of conservatives is their desire to use government force to compel conformance to their vision of social norms. Conservatives oppose drug-freedoms, for example. They typically oppose same-sex marriages, for another.
    I have some libertarian views. That doesn't make me libertarian. I like John Stossle and agree with him a lot. However,
    I am for secure borders and I support a strong military and believe war is sometimes necessary. I also am not against all foreign aid. I am ok with marijuana being legalized if that's what a state wants. I'm not so sure about hard drugs. I fear that would cause a lot more addictions.
    I won't flip out if doma is overturned, but I will feel a bit sad. I do believe the definition of marriage is a union between one man and one woman. However it's just a word and I am all for gay couples having all the benefits of marriage through a civil union anyway. I believe life begins at conception and abortion is akin to murder.
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    Re: Cain: 'American People Are Anxious for Solutions'

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Let's see...... can any of you guys name a single law he's ever helped pass? What's his foreign policy experience? What legislation has he ever supported? Maybe you can point us to a single bill he's ever sponsored? His political resume is.... thin.
    Are you saying we are seeing a bush replay?
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    Re: Cain: 'American People Are Anxious for Solutions'

    Herman Cain was easily my favorite in the debate, but I do not yet know enough about him to say that I would vote for him. We will see how he does in the primary campaign.

    His pro-life views set my teeth on edge, but he clearly appears to have his priorities in order concerning foreign policy and the economy and, like any good businessman, he is more concerned with results than with ideology.

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    Re: Cain: 'American People Are Anxious for Solutions'

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    lol, that'd be all well and good if I was American.
    Or willing to vote for a Republican.
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