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    Re: Cain: 'American People Are Anxious for Solutions'

    Quote Originally Posted by xpiher View Post
    Palin doesn't have any creditably for Energy Sectary. "Drill Baby Drill" isn't sustainable. You do know that right? All it does is prolong the inevitable, while depleting emergency reserves.

    Oh and Palin and Bachumann aren't real conservatives. Cain, maybe. But the only real conservative I've seen with a high profile is Ron Paul.
    I guess we'll just have to disagree on the definition of what a conservative is.
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    Re: Cain: 'American People Are Anxious for Solutions'

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    I guess we'll just have to disagree on the definition of what a conservative is.
    A real conservative is a libertarian. What you purpose is nothing more than the government telling me I can't do something. A person forcing biblical values on people is just as bad as dems forcing everyone to have health care.

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    Re: Cain: 'American People Are Anxious for Solutions'

    Quote Originally Posted by Spaceman_Spiff View Post
    With regards to Herman Cain, I do not see what is so impressive about him. It seems that all he does is repeat the standard conservative talking points of the last 30 years, while offering no actual new ideas. Maybe one of his fans can help me out with that.
    Sure.

    Since the new ideas never work...ie, they never do what they're advertised to do, but perhaps other goals are in play here, then the old ideas, since there was nothing wrong with them, are valid.

    Letting people keep their own money. What a quaint idea. The new idea is to grab everything and run. That's been working well, hasn't it?

    Smaller government. How quaint, doing something the Founding Fathers wanted. The new idea of never having the people do for themselves what the government can do at ten times the cost has been working well to keep politicians employed.

    Heck, even his idea of de-criminalizing heroin has been around for a long time, too.

    He said not one thing to disagree with, unlike that Paul guy.

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    Re: Cain: 'American People Are Anxious for Solutions'

    Quote Originally Posted by Mayor Snorkum View Post
    Sure.

    Since the new ideas never work...ie, they never do what they're advertised to do, but perhaps other goals are in play here, then the old ideas, since there was nothing wrong with them, are valid.

    Letting people keep their own money. What a quaint idea. The new idea is to grab everything and run. That's been working well, hasn't it?

    Smaller government. How quaint, doing something the Founding Fathers wanted. The new idea of never having the people do for themselves what the government can do at ten times the cost has been working well to keep politicians employed.

    Heck, even his idea of de-criminalizing heroin has been around for a long time, too.

    He said not one thing to disagree with, unlike that Paul guy.
    Can you be more clear in what you are getting at?

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    Re: Cain: 'American People Are Anxious for Solutions'

    Quote Originally Posted by xpiher View Post
    A real conservative is a libertarian. What you purpose is nothing more than the government telling me I can't do something.
    No, that's wrong.

    A real conservative has a distinct religious CHRISTIAN component to their political beliefs. They use that, instead of reason, as the basis of their political ideology.

    Ask a real libertarian where rights come from, and you'll get a dissertation on how "rights" are a concept in defining the acceptable parameters of interpersonal relations and what limits government should have in them.

    A real conservative says "rights come from God" and that's the end of that.

    A liberal/socialist/fascist/communist/Democrat/statist says a man's rights exist only insofar as they serve the good of the state.
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    Re: Cain: 'American People Are Anxious for Solutions'

    Quote Originally Posted by xpiher View Post
    I liked him, whats my political affiliation. Should you be worried?



    Statist = government control. Social conservatice = the bible is the best policy. Statist Social conservative = fu*k your civil liberties. I assume both are anti-Union in the sense they think Unions shouldn't exist. Well, that would go against the founding fathers thinking.
    Your affiliation says libertarian. Not liberal. I'd be surprised if liberals would like much of anything Cain has to say. Not so with libertarians.

    Sorry, I don't agree that Bachmann, Palin or Cain fit that discription. They are simply strong conservatives who believe in upholding the constitution. They sure don't believe in government control. Palin's husband is a union guy, I believe.
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    Re: Cain: 'American People Are Anxious for Solutions'

    Quote Originally Posted by xpiher View Post
    Can you be more clear in what you are getting at?
    Yes.

    It's certainly possible for the Mayor to expend endless volumes on the Dick and Jane level to allow others to conceptualize the basic truth that government is a tool, like Skynet.

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    Re: Cain: 'American People Are Anxious for Solutions'

    Quote Originally Posted by Mayor Snorkum View Post
    No, that's wrong.
    I'm of the belief that "real conservatives" aren't american conservatives because they don't follow what the founders said they should and force religion down people's throats via the law.


    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    Your affiliation says libertarian. Not liberal. I'd be surprised if liberals would like much of anything Cain has to say. Not so with libertarians.

    Sorry, I don't agree that Bachmann, Palin or Cain fit that discription. They are simply strong conservatives who believe in upholding the constitution. They sure don't believe in government control. Palin's husband is a union guy, I believe.
    Sure they do, they believe America should be governed, at least somewhat, biblically. Gay marriage anyone
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    Re: Cain: 'American People Are Anxious for Solutions'

    Quote Originally Posted by Mayor Snorkum View Post
    Sure.

    Since the new ideas never work...ie, they never do what they're advertised to do, but perhaps other goals are in play here, then the old ideas, since there was nothing wrong with them, are valid.

    Letting people keep their own money. What a quaint idea. The new idea is to grab everything and run. That's been working well, hasn't it?

    Smaller government. How quaint, doing something the Founding Fathers wanted. The new idea of never having the people do for themselves what the government can do at ten times the cost has been working well to keep politicians employed.

    Heck, even his idea of de-criminalizing heroin has been around for a long time, too. He said not one thing to disagree with, unlike that Paul guy.
    Ummm..I don't think Cain weighed in on the heroin, did he? I think that was Gary Johnson, the other libertarian.
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    Re: Cain: 'American People Are Anxious for Solutions'

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    Ummm..I don't think Cain weighed in on the heroin, did he? I think that was Gary Johnson, the other libertarian.
    Ummm.....that's possible. hmm....but then again, the audience cheered heroin...all those candidates look alike, anyway.
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