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    Re: Are we at war with Pakistan?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    No. I'm saying this is war. We're at war with Pakistan. Only nobody wants to say so because that would be inconvenient for us and them. We've entered a new phase in modern warfare where the war is not only undeclared (Korea, Vietnam), not acknowledged (Laos, Cambodia), and now where we carry on country-to-country relations, even subsidize the enemy country, as if nothing untoward was happening (Pakistan).
    Well then, should Obama be impeached for taking the USA into a war with Pakisatan without Congressional authorization?

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    Re: Are we at war with Pakistan?

    If we are not fighting Pakistan, and Pakistan is not fighting us, how exactly are we at war with them?
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    Re: Are we at war with Pakistan?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    … Pakistan is not fighting us …
    You think? I don't. I think there are Pakistanis who are directly supporting Taliban groups which are attacking American and NATO personnel in Afghanistan. I call that making war on us.
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    Re: Are we at war with Pakistan?

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    Why would Pakistan go to war with India again?


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    Re: Are we at war with Pakistan?

    Quote Originally Posted by TOJ View Post
    Well then, should Obama be impeached for taking the USA into a war with Pakisatan without Congressional authorization?

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    All it takes is a majority vote in the Republican controlled House to impeach the president. High crimes and misdemeanors means whatever the House wants it to mean.

    See: The Coming Impeachment of Barack Obama

    Getting a conviction in the Senate is a little harder.

    More important impeaching a president for an undeclared, unacknowledged clandestine war might require exposing national means and methods that normally would be considered the crown jewels of a country's military establishment. But, if getting Obama at any cost suits you, be my guest.
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    Re: Are we at war with Pakistan?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    You think? I don't. I think there are Pakistanis who are directly supporting Taliban groups which are attacking American and NATO personnel in Afghanistan. I call that making war on us.
    If an English citizen joined Al Queda and fought against us for them, would we be at war with England?

    Why would we WANT to be at war with Pakistan?
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    Re: Are we at war with Pakistan?

    If you discovered that many senior current Pakistani ISI agents in good standing were actively assisting al Qaeda and the Taliban, would you still say we're not at war with Pakistan? No?

    “At best, it was willful blindness on the part of the ISI.” — Art Keller, a former officer of the Central Intelligence Agency who worked on the hunt for Bin Laden from a compound in the Waziristan region of Pakistan in 2006

    Excerpted from “Probing Link to Bin Laden, U.S. Tells Pakistan to Name Agents” By HELENE COOPER and ISMAIL KHAN, The New York Times, Published: May 6, 2011
    Pakistani officials say the Obama administration has demanded the identities of some of their top intelligence operatives as the United States tries to determine whether any of them had contact with Osama bin Laden or his agents in the years before the raid that led to his death early Monday morning in Pakistan. …

    Obama administration officials have stopped short of accusing the Pakistani government — either privately or publicly — of complicity in the hiding of Bin Laden in the years after the Sept. 11 attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon. …

    Still, this official and others expressed deep frustration with Pakistani military and intelligence officials for their refusal over the years to identify members of the agency, the Inter-Services Intelligence Directorate, who were believed to have close ties to Bin Laden. In particular, American officials have demanded information on what is known as the ISI’s S directorate, which has worked closely with militants since the days of the fight against the Soviet army in Afghanistan. …
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    Re: Are we at war with Pakistan?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    Have they needed reasons in the past? I don't think so.
    With the exception of the war of independence for Bangladesh, wars between the two have involved Kashmir and Pakistan and India's mutual claims to the territory. The other was when India intervened on East Pakistan's behalf in its war for independence when it formed the state of Bangladesh...
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    Re: Are we at war with Pakistan?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    All it takes is a majority vote in the Republican controlled House to impeach the president. High crimes and misdemeanors means whatever the House wants it to mean.

    See: The Coming Impeachment of Barack Obama

    Getting a conviction in the Senate is a little harder.

    More important impeaching a president for an undeclared, unacknowledged clandestine war might require exposing national means and methods that normally would be considered the crown jewels of a country's military establishment. But, if getting Obama at any cost suits you, be my guest.
    You are the one declaring that the USA is at war with Pakistan. I am only pointing out that, if you really believe that and you were even close to being intellectually honest, you would want someone to be held accountable for taking the USA into an illegal war. Since Obama is in charge, shouldn't he be held responsible?

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    Re: Are we at war with Pakistan?

    Is it an illegal war? The House keeps paying for it.
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