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    Re: Are we at war with Pakistan?

    If we are, can we outsource it to India?
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    Re: Are we at war with Pakistan?

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    The victims were for the most part not Pakistani citizens, and no Pakistani troops were involved. If we go into Mexico and a couple Special Forces guys kill some drug cartel members, that doesn't mean we're at war with the Mexican State.
    I rather think you should ask the Mexicans whether they consider that an act of war. The answer is yes, yes they do.
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    Re: Are we at war with Pakistan?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    I rather think you should ask the Mexicans whether they consider that an act of war. The answer is yes, yes they do.
    You have any evidence to back this up? Especially since the Mexicans are ASKING for our help in battling the cartels?
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    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

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    Re: Are we at war with Pakistan?

    The Mexicans aren't asking us to invade their country and start killing people no matter how bad they may be. Nor are the Pakistanis. You have to come to terms with the new reality that a country such as Pakistan can have a political leadership which is effectively a hollow shell, even a military leadership with very tentative control over its own intelligence and military services. In effect Pakistan is a enemy country with a false but friendly face.
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    Re: Are we at war with Pakistan?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    The Mexicans aren't asking us to invade their country and start killing people no matter how bad they may be. Nor are the Pakistanis. You have to come to terms with the new reality that a country such as Pakistan can have a political leadership which is effectively a hollow shell, even a military leadership with very tentative control over its own intelligence and military services. In effect Pakistan is a enemy country with a false but friendly face.
    None of this means that we are at war with the Pakistani STATE or the Mexican STATE.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: Are we at war with Pakistan?

    At least in your mind. All I know is that our military personnel violated Pakistani air space on Sunday, killed people in Pakistan, took materials and a body, and, flew back even as Pakistan was scrambling air craft to defend their territory. It was a military incursion.

    You don't want to call that war. But, as the saying goes, if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck then it must be a duck. All I'm saying is it's a duck.
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    Re: Are we at war with Pakistan?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    At least in your mind. All I know is that our military personnel violated Pakistani air space on Sunday, killed people in Pakistan, took materials and a body, and, flew back even as Pakistan was scrambling air craft to defend their territory. It was a military incursion.

    You don't want to call that war. But, as the saying goes, if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck then it must be a duck. All I'm saying is it's a duck.
    It's not war if it's only one side doing the fighting. Your argument makes no sense.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: Are we at war with Pakistan?

    And Pakistan is not funding and protecting Taliban groups which are actively killing Americans and coalition forces in Afghanistan? In Kabul? You aren't keeping up with the news.
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    Re: Are we at war with Pakistan?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    And Pakistan is not funding and protecting Taliban groups which are actively killing Americans and coalition forces in Afghanistan? In Kabul? You aren't keeping up with the news.
    That might be working at cross purposes with us, that does not mean we are "at war" with Pakistan.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: Are we at war with Pakistan?

    The coffins being off loaded at Dover Air Force Base call you a liar.
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