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    Re: Are we at war with Pakistan?

    We aren't at war with them, but because of their ineptitude in fighting off AQ crossing their border, and finding the worlds most wanted terrorist right under their nose, we had to go in and do the job. You don't want your "sovereignity" violated? Get **** done yourself. We are under no compulsion to stand by while they fiddle fart around. This war knows no borders.
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    Re: Are we at war with Pakistan?

    We damn well ought to be. According to the Bush doctrine, we will "not distinguish between terrorists and those who harbour them".
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    Re: Are we at war with Pakistan?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Baron View Post
    We damn well ought to be. According to the Bush doctrine, we will "not distinguish between terrorists and those who harbour them".
    haha completely disagree, but an interesting point nevertheless Baron.
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    Re: Are we at war with Pakistan?

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    Why would Pakistan go to war with India again?
    Have they needed reasons in the past? I don't think so.
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    Re: Are we at war with Pakistan?

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    No, we are not at war with Pakistan. We may be unsatisfied with them, but not at war. How can you be at war with a nation you are funding?
    Is there any rule against that?
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    Re: Are we at war with Pakistan?

    A war means armed conflict. We are engaging in no such thing with regard to Pakistan.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: Are we at war with Pakistan?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    Have they needed reasons in the past? I don't think so.
    Well in the past it was almost always over Kashmir, and was limited, I don't see why they'll go to war with the second largest army in the world if the US cuts funding.
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    Re: Are we at war with Pakistan?

    War can mean invading their territory, selectively killing their residents and then redrawing like we did Sunday night.
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    Re: Are we at war with Pakistan?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    War can mean invading their territory, selectively killing their residents and then redrawing like we did Sunday night.
    The victims were for the most part not Pakistani citizens, and no Pakistani troops were involved. If we go into Mexico and a couple Special Forces guys kill some drug cartel members, that doesn't mean we're at war with the Mexican State.
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    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: Are we at war with Pakistan?

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    No, we are not at war with Pakistan. We may be unsatisfied with them, but not at war. How can you be at war with a nation you are funding?
    Good question, we might also ask how can we consider the Saudis our friends while they fund terrorism?
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