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    Re: Do you support Obama's continuation of Bush's policies on the War on Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin
    eh, I don't really care about Gitmo. I don't understand why the embargo is still in place though.
    Truth be told, I don't either. But as you hinted at earlier, it could be symbolic enough to shut some of these hyper-libs up. Unfortunately, there is still a population of Pelosi-like dip****s in the American population that would view this as a victory against all odds. Let them eat cake.

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    Re: Do you support Obama's continuation of Bush's policies on the War on Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by ADG View Post
    Torture has never been an American value. We condemned the Japanese for waterboarding in WWII and called it torture. Reagan has a great quote about people who conduct torture being our truest enemy (I can't find the quote, so any help would be appreciated). Up until Jon Yoo and David Addington decided to play legal games with our policy on interrogation, we were steadfast in our opposition to torture, no matter what political party controlled the White House. Abu Ghraib was an embarrassment because we all know, without referring to the Army Field Handbook or the Geneva conventions, that what happended was unacceptable.
    Here is the Reagan quote-

    From President Ronald Reaganís signing statement ratifying the UN Convention on Torture from 1984:

    The United States participated actively and effectively in the negotiation of the Convention . It marks a significant step in the development during this century of international measures against torture and other inhuman treatment or punishment. Ratification of the Convention by the United States will clearly express United States opposition to torture, an abhorrent practice unfortunately still prevalent in the world today.
    And I am not saying that torture is an American value, I am simply saying that the US has employed necessary measures in the past to win wars. Now, as to the Japanese waterboarding, of course we complained they were doing it to our soldiers. Ultimately I do not think torture works in getting totally credible info, most agree that it does not. But if employing any of these "border-line" torture techniques saves an American life, then I am all for it.

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    Re: Do you support Obama's continuation of Bush's policies on the War on Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    Here is the Reagan quote-

    From President Ronald Reagan’s signing statement ratifying the UN Convention on Torture from 1984:



    And I am not saying that torture is an American value, I am simply saying that the US has employed necessary measures in the past to win wars. Now, as to the Japanese waterboarding, of course we complained they were doing it to our soldiers. Ultimately I do not think torture works in getting totally credible info, most agree that it does not. But if employing any of these "border-line" torture techniques saves an American life, then I am all for it.
    I'd argue that there are just as effective ways to get the same information to save lives, without having to resort to physical torture or compromising our values.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: Do you support Obama's continuation of Bush's policies on the War on Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    I'd argue that there are just as effective ways to get the same information to save lives, without having to resort to physical torture or compromising our values.
    And I would agree, I just see no need to limit our options. And I do not believe we water torture anyone anymore.

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    Re: Do you support Obama's continuation of Bush's policies on the War on Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    More intense fighting = deadlier.
    Community Organizer playing dress up as Commander In Chief = ?

    Your statistics don't prove anything.
    Statistics dont prove anything.......when it applies to Liberalism

    Yes I am disappointed that Barack has been mum on the Patriot Act.
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    Re: Do you support Obama's continuation of Bush's policies on the War on Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by Badmutha View Post
    Community Organizer playing dress up as Commander In Chief = ?



    Statistics dont prove anything.......when it applies to Liberalism



    As is every Liberal that keeps voting for Change and accepts HusSame......
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    No, statistics don't prove anything when you use ****ty logic.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
    - Colonel Paul Yingling

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    Re: Do you support Obama's continuation of Bush's policies on the War on Terror?

    Yep, It's probably only one good thing has been made by Obama.
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    Re: Do you support Obama's continuation of Bush's policies on the War on Terror?

    I never supported Bush's GWOT policies and I don't support Obama's.
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    Re: Do you support Obama's continuation of Bush's policies on the War on Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by ADG View Post
    I don't think it is possible to bring democracy to Afganistan. It certainly is not possible while we have troops in country being seen as occupiers. Democracy is not something you can force on a society, or will it into existence, it must be grown organically from the bottom up, not top down. It can only be sustainable that way. The best thing we can do in Afganistan is to leave. We have nothing to prove, and personally, I don't want to lose another friend to that war.
    We have to prevent the government turning into another Taliban supporter, the only way to make it so the people arnt turned and manipulated is to establish a government ourselves. The only government we are going to establish, because of our values, is a democratic one, because it is the most moral, fair, just, modern system there is. We as americans cant trust any other type of government being established, its a very delicate situation over there, tis why we are there in the first place.

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    Re: Do you support Obama's continuation of Bush's policies on the War on Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    I'd argue that there are just as effective ways to get the same information to save lives, without having to resort to physical torture or compromising our values.
    I think it depends on the situation and how dire the information is.

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