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    Re: Do you support Obama's continuation of Bush's policies on the War on Terror?

    Obama's policy on Afghanistan is quite different than Bush's. I continue to disagree with the Patriot act and its abuses and Obama keep Gitmo open.
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    Re: Do you support Obama's continuation of Bush's policies on the War on Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    So for you, it would be more of a PR/symbolic move, more than a substantive move because the Gitmo name has already been so poisoned? I don't agree but I can see where you're coming from.
    It would, only because this is the reasoning given for closing it and because I know that symbolism is very important to Arab Muslims. You don't agree that it would be a symbolic move? Or that it wouldn't have any effect on the Muslim mind?
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    Re: Do you support Obama's continuation of Bush's policies on the War on Terror?

    Why is everyone against Guantanamo Bay and the detainment of terrorists there? These "people" are barely human at all, they don't deserve a fair trial, it's best that they get locked away in a little box far away from the human population.

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    Re: Do you support Obama's continuation of Bush's policies on the War on Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    Of course you have... it's called spin. The question is simple... you see Libs hated Bush's policies to protect this nation and Obama claimed he'd reverse course on many of them. Instead... they're still there.

    It really isn't a tough question, unless you want it to be... spinner.

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    See, the problem is you exact every one else to think like you and therefore take a strictly partisan position. Fortunately, most people are able to actually think about issues outside of partisanship. When you manage to figure out how to make my positions some how hypocritical, then you may have a point. Good luck on that.

    You wanted a trap poll, but most people actually are able to think, and so it failed, miserably.
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    Re: Do you support Obama's continuation of Bush's policies on the War on Terror?

    Anyone else find it weird how only 7 people voted in the poll, but this discussion went on for 6+ pages?

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    Re: Do you support Obama's continuation of Bush's policies on the War on Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tyrannosaur View Post
    Why is everyone against Guantanamo Bay and the detainment of terrorists there? These "people" are barely human at all, they don't deserve a fair trial, it's best that they get locked away in a little box far away from the human population.
    Have you personally met most of the detainees in Guantanamo? How do you even know if each and every one of them is a terrorist? For some of the detainees there, the only thing they were guilty of was being in the wrong place and the wrong time. All the detainees there deserve the right to a fair trial to determine if they ARE actually combatants in the first place. And even prisoners of war should be afforded certain rights. It's about human decency and standing up for our values, which include respect for basic human rights.
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    Re: Do you support Obama's continuation of Bush's policies on the War on Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tyrannosaur View Post
    Anyone else find it weird how only 7 people voted in the poll, but this discussion went on for 6+ pages?
    Polls like this don't get m any to actually vote on it since the options don't reflect the actual position of many people and the poll is designed to get a response instead of actually asking a question.
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    Re: Do you support Obama's continuation of Bush's policies on the War on Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tyrannosaur View Post
    Let's face it though, Iraq and Afghanistan are better places now that the US went in there and overthrew genocidal dictators (see Saddam's chemical weapon usage on the Kurdish people).
    Iraq, yes. Afganistan is a lost cause. And while I agree that Iraq is better off now than it was during Saddam's reign, it doesn't excuse the manufactured reasoning for us going to war. We could also manufacture a reason to go into North Korea, but we don't.
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    Re: Do you support Obama's continuation of Bush's policies on the War on Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by ADG View Post
    It would, only because this is the reasoning given for closing it and because I know that symbolism is very important to Arab Muslims. You don't agree that it would be a symbolic move? Or that it wouldn't have any effect on the Muslim mind?
    I agree that it's a valid reason, I'm not sure if it's a good enough reason to actually shut down the operation and try to move it elsewhere. And given the politics of the situation, at this point it simply can't be done.
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    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: Do you support Obama's continuation of Bush's policies on the War on Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tyrannosaur View Post
    Why is everyone against Guantanamo Bay and the detainment of terrorists there? These "people" are barely human at all, they don't deserve a fair trial, it's best that they get locked away in a little box far away from the human population.
    It's not about what they deserve. It's about us as Americans and what we do with people that are "barely human". It's about values, and treating your enemy better than they treat you because it is the humane thing to do. It doesn't satisfy our blood lust, but should we fall victim to that emotion anyway?
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