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    Re: Do you support Obama's continuation of Bush's policies on the War on Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by ADG View Post
    I agree that torture can be conducted at the Super Max in Florence, Colorado, just as easy as it can be conducted at Gitmo. The reason for closing the detention center at GITMO is again, PR. I don't say that to belittle the importance of Public Relations, but rather to agree that it would be healthy for us to do so as it pertains to ongoing relations with our Muslim allies. Gitmo is a flashpoint for extremists, and so it would be a good strategic move to simply change venues. I would condemn torture wherever it is done, not just Gitmo.
    So for you, it would be more of a PR/symbolic move, more than a substantive move because the Gitmo name has already been so poisoned? I don't agree but I can see where you're coming from.
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    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: Do you support Obama's continuation of Bush's policies on the War on Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    If anything is guilty of engaging the spin machine it's your simplistic trap poll.
    I love it when you Libs get fired up and are riding your Spin-O-Matic... for example, the use of "trap poll"... ROTFLOL. It's only a trap for Libs who have a hard time admitting they support something they screeched about for 7-years of Bush.

    Then the pollster is dumb, the poll is dumb, and they skate like Bobby Hull on a breakaway trying to escape the issue.

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    Re: Do you support Obama's continuation of Bush's policies on the War on Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    I love it when you Libs get fired up and are riding your Spin-O-Matic... for example, the use of "trap poll"... ROTFLOL. It's only a trap for Libs who have a hard time admitting they support something they screeched about for 7-years of Bush.

    Then the pollster is dumb, the poll is dumb, and they skate like Bobby Hull on a breakaway trying to escape the issue.

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    I've given my reason for why your poll is dumb, and I've given my own position on the issue. If you can't address any of those points, and instead keep on talking out of your ass, then you'll have proved to everyone beyond a reasonable doubt how much of a hack you are.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: Do you support Obama's continuation of Bush's policies on the War on Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by Badmutha View Post
    Well Obama and the majority of Liberals in Washington did.........

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    And the vast majority of Libs period.

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    Re: Do you support Obama's continuation of Bush's policies on the War on Terror?

    Let's face it though, Iraq and Afghanistan are better places now that the US went in there and overthrew genocidal dictators (see Saddam's chemical weapon usage on the Kurdish people).

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    Re: Do you support Obama's continuation of Bush's policies on the War on Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    While I completely understand your point, I do not understand how we have come to view these as our American views. Have you ever read about US actions in Northern African during WWII? In many of the various other conflicts we have been in? America could easily win wars in those days because there was not a constant stream of media reporting every act undertook by our soldiers. There is a reason we lost Vietnam, the news presence hindered our military and we lost. If we hinder them now we will lose this one as well.
    Torture has never been an American value. We condemned the Japanese for waterboarding in WWII and called it torture. Reagan has a great quote about people who conduct torture being our truest enemy (I can't find the quote, so any help would be appreciated). Up until Jon Yoo and David Addington decided to play legal games with our policy on interrogation, we were steadfast in our opposition to torture, no matter what political party controlled the White House. Abu Ghraib was an embarrassment because we all know, without referring to the Army Field Handbook or the Geneva conventions, that what happended was unacceptable.
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    Re: Do you support Obama's continuation of Bush's policies on the War on Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    I've given my reason for why your poll is dumb, and I've given my own position on the issue. If you can't address any of those points, and instead keep on talking out of your ass, then you'll have proved to everyone beyond a reasonable doubt how much of a hack you are.
    Of course you have... it's called spin. The question is simple... you see Libs hated Bush's policies to protect this nation and Obama claimed he'd reverse course on many of them. Instead... they're still there.

    It really isn't a tough question, unless you want it to be... spinner.

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    Re: Do you support Obama's continuation of Bush's policies on the War on Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tyrannosaur View Post
    Let's face it though, Iraq and Afghanistan are better places now that the US went in there and overthrew genocidal dictators (see Saddam's chemical weapon usage on the Kurdish people).
    I'm not arguing against any of that. I'm arguing that those places will fall apart if we leave (at least Afghanistan).
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    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: Do you support Obama's continuation of Bush's policies on the War on Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    Of course you have... it's called spin. The question is simple... you see Libs hated Bush's policies to protect this nation and Obama claimed he'd reverse course on many of them. Instead... they're still there.

    It really isn't a tough question, unless you want it to be... spinner.

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    It's a complicated issue, and you try to simplify it into a yes or no poll. It's like asking, "do you think war is good or bad"? It's a stupid question.

    You know nothing about my positions on Bush's policies because I haven't stated them.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
    - Colonel Paul Yingling

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    Re: Do you support Obama's continuation of Bush's policies on the War on Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dinosaur
    Let's face it though, Iraq and Afghanistan are better places now that the US went in there and overthrew genocidal dictators (see Saddam's chemical weapon usage on the Kurdish people).
    That is very true. I also couldn't give a damn.

    Since when has morality become America's greatest export? I wouldn't lose a bead of sweat on my ass if we stopped raiding a country every time they believe something we don't believe.

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