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    Re: Do you support Obama's continuation of Bush's policies on the War on Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    Not really. But I don't care anyway, because they didn't want democracy in the first place. Bush just needed a more PC reason, instead of saying "we want your oil".
    Afghanistan doesn't have any oil.

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    Re: Do you support Obama's continuation of Bush's policies on the War on Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tyrannosaur View Post
    How have we not brought democracy to those countries?
    Hardly. Their governments are barely even functional, even if they are nominally democratic. The Iraqi government spent months and months last year just trying to elect a new Parliament. There is a risk of sectarian divison negatively impacting the entire country, and the government.

    The Afghan government is even worse; it doesn't even maintain perfect sovereignty over most of it's own territory. It is corrupt. They experienced a significant amount of fraud in their last presidential election. Most of the Afghan people don't trust the government. The justice system, especially at the local levels, are barely functional. People don't trust the Afghan police. The lack of a functioning justice system is why many turn to the Taliban; as brutal as they are, they administer justice swiftly.
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    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: Do you support Obama's continuation of Bush's policies on the War on Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by Badmutha View Post
    ........so why close Gitmo?

    ........thanks for playing......
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    Why are you asking me? Ask the ones that actually want to close it.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: Do you support Obama's continuation of Bush's policies on the War on Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tyrannosaur View Post
    How have we not brought democracy to those countries?
    I don't think it is possible to bring democracy to Afganistan. It certainly is not possible while we have troops in country being seen as occupiers. Democracy is not something you can force on a society, or will it into existence, it must be grown organically from the bottom up, not top down. It can only be sustainable that way. The best thing we can do in Afganistan is to leave. We have nothing to prove, and personally, I don't want to lose another friend to that war.
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    Re: Do you support Obama's continuation of Bush's policies on the War on Terror?

    Where is the option for "I support those I supported under Bush and oppose the ones I opposed under Bush"? I did and do support our efforts in Afghanistan. I did and do support military action against terror. I can and do support increased airport security. I do not, nor did I under Bush support warrantless actions. I did not and still do not agree with the war in Iraq. I did not and still do not agree with the mass holding of suspected terrorists in Guantanamo. I did not and still do not approve of "enhanced interrogation techniques. I did and still do oppose trading rights for security.

    This is supposed to be a trap poll, but it's not a very good one.
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    Re: Do you support Obama's continuation of Bush's policies on the War on Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    The problem with your question is not that it's too difficult. It is that it's too simplistic. If you are done being a partisan hack, I would appreciate debating this topic with people who can actually act like adults.
    ROTFLOL... I just about spat out my brew reading your response.

    Me says you is caught trying to figure out how to fire up the spin machine... hold on... you've got it going full blast.

    So much BS, so little time.

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    Re: Do you support Obama's continuation of Bush's policies on the War on Terror?

    Afghanistan doesn't have any oil.
    We didn't really do much in Afghanistan, especially when you compare it to other bases of operation like Iraq. We sent as many troops into Afghanistan as Canada sent to Vietnam. And yes, that's tongue in cheek, in case any of you 'nucks get your panties in a wad.

    If Afghanistan had oil, we'd have sent more than the odd predator drone.

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    Re: Do you support Obama's continuation of Bush's policies on the War on Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    ROTFLOL... I just about spat out my brew reading your response.

    Me says you is caught trying to figure out how to fire up the spin machine... hold on... you've got it going full blast.

    So much BS, so little time.

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    If anything is guilty of engaging the spin machine it's your simplistic trap poll.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
    - Colonel Paul Yingling

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    Re: Do you support Obama's continuation of Bush's policies on the War on Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Why are you asking me? Ask the ones that actually want to close it.
    I agree that torture can be conducted at the Super Max in Florence, Colorado, just as easy as it can be conducted at Gitmo. The reason for closing the detention center at GITMO is again, PR. I don't say that to belittle the importance of Public Relations, but rather to agree that it would be healthy for us to do so as it pertains to ongoing relations with our Muslim allies. Gitmo is a flashpoint for extremists, and so it would be a good strategic move to simply change venues. I would condemn torture wherever it is done, not just Gitmo.
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    Re: Do you support Obama's continuation of Bush's policies on the War on Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by ADG View Post
    I could care less about the welfare of the terrorists we have locked up in GITMO and beyond. Most of them probably deserve to be locked away. But my feelings about the enemy should not outweigh my values as an American and as a human being. War is hell, that is clear, and soldiers are required to do some things in the line of duty that many of us would never have nightmares about, and may God bless them and their sacrifice. But our leaders and lawmakers are a different story, and they should be held to a different standard. Being an American isn't easy, or at least it shouldn't be, in that sometimes our adherance to inconvenient rules and values may halt our need for blood vengance and actions that we normally would condemn in others.
    While I completely understand your point, I do not understand how we have come to view these as our American views. Have you ever read about US actions in Northern African during WWII? In many of the various other conflicts we have been in? America could easily win wars in those days because there was not a constant stream of media reporting every act undertook by our soldiers. There is a reason we lost Vietnam, the news presence hindered our military and we lost. If we hinder them now we will lose this one as well.

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