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Do you support Obama's continuation of Bush's policies on the War on Terror?

Do you support Obama's continuation of Bush's policies on the War on Terror?

  • Yes

    Votes: 12 54.5%
  • No

    Votes: 10 45.5%

  • Total voters
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Obama's policy on Afghanistan is quite different than Bush's. I continue to disagree with the Patriot act and its abuses and Obama keep Gitmo open.
 
So for you, it would be more of a PR/symbolic move, more than a substantive move because the Gitmo name has already been so poisoned? I don't agree but I can see where you're coming from.

It would, only because this is the reasoning given for closing it and because I know that symbolism is very important to Arab Muslims. You don't agree that it would be a symbolic move? Or that it wouldn't have any effect on the Muslim mind?
 
Why is everyone against Guantanamo Bay and the detainment of terrorists there? These "people" are barely human at all, they don't deserve a fair trial, it's best that they get locked away in a little box far away from the human population.
 
Of course you have... it's called spin. The question is simple... you see Libs hated Bush's policies to protect this nation and Obama claimed he'd reverse course on many of them. Instead... they're still there.

It really isn't a tough question, unless you want it to be... spinner.

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See, the problem is you exact every one else to think like you and therefore take a strictly partisan position. Fortunately, most people are able to actually think about issues outside of partisanship. When you manage to figure out how to make my positions some how hypocritical, then you may have a point. Good luck on that.

You wanted a trap poll, but most people actually are able to think, and so it failed, miserably.
 
Anyone else find it weird how only 7 people voted in the poll, but this discussion went on for 6+ pages?
 
Why is everyone against Guantanamo Bay and the detainment of terrorists there? These "people" are barely human at all, they don't deserve a fair trial, it's best that they get locked away in a little box far away from the human population.

Have you personally met most of the detainees in Guantanamo? How do you even know if each and every one of them is a terrorist? For some of the detainees there, the only thing they were guilty of was being in the wrong place and the wrong time. All the detainees there deserve the right to a fair trial to determine if they ARE actually combatants in the first place. And even prisoners of war should be afforded certain rights. It's about human decency and standing up for our values, which include respect for basic human rights.
 
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Anyone else find it weird how only 7 people voted in the poll, but this discussion went on for 6+ pages?

Polls like this don't get m any to actually vote on it since the options don't reflect the actual position of many people and the poll is designed to get a response instead of actually asking a question.
 
Let's face it though, Iraq and Afghanistan are better places now that the US went in there and overthrew genocidal dictators (see Saddam's chemical weapon usage on the Kurdish people).

Iraq, yes. Afganistan is a lost cause. And while I agree that Iraq is better off now than it was during Saddam's reign, it doesn't excuse the manufactured reasoning for us going to war. We could also manufacture a reason to go into North Korea, but we don't.
 
It would, only because this is the reasoning given for closing it and because I know that symbolism is very important to Arab Muslims. You don't agree that it would be a symbolic move? Or that it wouldn't have any effect on the Muslim mind?

I agree that it's a valid reason, I'm not sure if it's a good enough reason to actually shut down the operation and try to move it elsewhere. And given the politics of the situation, at this point it simply can't be done.
 
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Why is everyone against Guantanamo Bay and the detainment of terrorists there? These "people" are barely human at all, they don't deserve a fair trial, it's best that they get locked away in a little box far away from the human population.

It's not about what they deserve. It's about us as Americans and what we do with people that are "barely human". It's about values, and treating your enemy better than they treat you because it is the humane thing to do. It doesn't satisfy our blood lust, but should we fall victim to that emotion anyway?
 
Yes or no?

Except for enhanced interrogation techniques, all is in place, and it was advanced interrogation techniques that set the stage for blowing the top off Osama von Fishfood.


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How do your figure? You are not aligned with the conventional wisdom, so the burden of proof is on you.
 
Obama's position on the importance of capturing Bin Laden was also actually very different from GWB.
 
Have you personally met most of the detainees in Guantanamo? How do you even know if each and every one of them is a terrorist? For some of the detainees there, the only thing they were guilty of was being in the wrong place and the wrong time. All the detainees there deserve the right to a fair trial to determine if they ARE actually combatants in the first place. And even prisoners of war should be afforded certain rights. It's about human decency and standing up for our values, which include respect for basic human rights.

Well said!
 
I agree that it's a valid reason, I'm not sure if it's a good enough reason to actually shut down the operation and try to move it elsewhere. And given the politics of the situation, at this point it simply can't be done.

That is for sure.
 
Well, it'd make the Cubans happy, along with ending the unnecessary embargo.

Castro 2.0 may even be so appreciative that he'll send up some qualified medical personnel. If Cuba can make two things, it's great cigars and greater doctors.

As far as trials in America, sure...give it to some. I wouldn't say everyone though, such as if they are clearly a threat.
 
Well, it'd make the Cubans happy, along with ending the unnecessary embargo.

Castro 2.0 may even be so appreciative that he'll send up some qualified medical personnel. If Cuba can make two things, it's great cigars and greater doctors.

As far as trials in America, sure...give it to some. I wouldn't say everyone though, such as if they are clearly a threat.

We pay good money for the lease on the base. We get to be a thorn in Castros' side, they get to take our money. It's a fair trade.
 
Obama's policy on Afghanistan is quite different than Bush's.

.....and apparently more deadly..........

60% Of Soldiers Killed In Afghanistan 10 Year War, Occurred On Obama’s 2 Year Clock Since 2009! « Political Vel Craft

....not that the liberal media would spend any time on it.....

I continue to disagree with the Patriot act and its abuses and Obama keep Gitmo open.

.....did you also notice Obama has made no attempt to change or repeal the Patriot Act?
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Sounds like a loss-loss to me. I don't feel a need to be a "thorn", and I sure the hell don't feel the need to pay to be a thorn. Couple that with the fact that they spit out a profession we desperately need like a factory line, and getting rid of it is pretty much a no-brainer.
 
Sounds like a loss-loss to me. I don't feel a need to be a "thorn", and I sure the hell don't feel the need to pay to be a thorn. Couple that with the fact that they spit out a profession we desperately need like a factory line, and getting rid of it is pretty much a no-brainer.

eh, I don't really care about Gitmo. I don't understand why the embargo is still in place though.
 
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eh, I don't really care about Gitmo. I don't understand why the embargo is still in place though.

Truth be told, I don't either. But as you hinted at earlier, it could be symbolic enough to shut some of these hyper-libs up. Unfortunately, there is still a population of Pelosi-like dip****s in the American population that would view this as a victory against all odds. Let them eat cake.

Politics is all about perception. Throw the masses a crumb, and they're effectively distracted.
 
Torture has never been an American value. We condemned the Japanese for waterboarding in WWII and called it torture. Reagan has a great quote about people who conduct torture being our truest enemy (I can't find the quote, so any help would be appreciated). Up until Jon Yoo and David Addington decided to play legal games with our policy on interrogation, we were steadfast in our opposition to torture, no matter what political party controlled the White House. Abu Ghraib was an embarrassment because we all know, without referring to the Army Field Handbook or the Geneva conventions, that what happended was unacceptable.

Here is the Reagan quote-

From President Ronald Reagan’s signing statement ratifying the UN Convention on Torture from 1984:

The United States participated actively and effectively in the negotiation of the Convention . It marks a significant step in the development during this century of international measures against torture and other inhuman treatment or punishment. Ratification of the Convention by the United States will clearly express United States opposition to torture, an abhorrent practice unfortunately still prevalent in the world today.

And I am not saying that torture is an American value, I am simply saying that the US has employed necessary measures in the past to win wars. Now, as to the Japanese waterboarding, of course we complained they were doing it to our soldiers. Ultimately I do not think torture works in getting totally credible info, most agree that it does not. But if employing any of these "border-line" torture techniques saves an American life, then I am all for it.
 
Here is the Reagan quote-

From President Ronald Reagan’s signing statement ratifying the UN Convention on Torture from 1984:



And I am not saying that torture is an American value, I am simply saying that the US has employed necessary measures in the past to win wars. Now, as to the Japanese waterboarding, of course we complained they were doing it to our soldiers. Ultimately I do not think torture works in getting totally credible info, most agree that it does not. But if employing any of these "border-line" torture techniques saves an American life, then I am all for it.

I'd argue that there are just as effective ways to get the same information to save lives, without having to resort to physical torture or compromising our values.
 
I'd argue that there are just as effective ways to get the same information to save lives, without having to resort to physical torture or compromising our values.

And I would agree, I just see no need to limit our options. And I do not believe we water torture anyone anymore.
 
More intense fighting = deadlier.

Community Organizer playing dress up as Commander In Chief = ?

Your statistics don't prove anything.

Statistics dont prove anything.......when it applies to Liberalism

Yes I am disappointed that Barack has been mum on the Patriot Act.

As is every Liberal that keeps voting for Change and accepts HusSame......
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