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    Re: Do you support Obama's continuation of Bush's policies on the War on Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    I didn't support closing Gitmo.
    Well Obama and the majority of Liberals in Washington did.........

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    Re: Do you support Obama's continuation of Bush's policies on the War on Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    They feared Bush. They don't fear Obama.
    And how do you know that. Did 'they' take a poll on this recently?
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    Re: Do you support Obama's continuation of Bush's policies on the War on Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Exactly. The answer is not really up there. He's doing somethings I don't support at all, like rendition and exculating Afghanistan. He has some things which are beyond his total control, like closing Gitmo. And somethings that i agree with, like ending the defense of torture and placing the focus on Afghanistan over Iraq. So, it's mixed.
    Things I do have a problem with:
    - The continuing use of extraodinary rendition
    - Gitmo detainees not being afforded due process

    Things I think were a positive:
    - Drawdown in Iraq

    Things I don't particularly lean one way or the other, I just think it's a difficult situation:
    - ongoing operations in Afghanistan. If he wants to pull out now, the Afghan government isn't ready to take over the country, and neither are their security forces. On the other hand, if we actually want to do this "nation-building" thing the right way, we may be stuck there for a generation.

    That's all I have for now, pretty sure I left some other things out that I can't think of off the top of my head.
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    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: Do you support Obama's continuation of Bush's policies on the War on Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by Badmutha View Post
    Well Obama and the majority of Liberals in Washington did.........

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    That's their problem, not mine.

    And you still haven't responded to my point. Location has no bearing on the treatment of detainees. You can take them out of Gitmo and interrogate them just as well as you can anywhere else.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
    - Colonel Paul Yingling

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    Re: Do you support Obama's continuation of Bush's policies on the War on Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by Badmutha View Post
    Well Obama and the majority of Liberals in Washington did.........

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    I still do. Obama would have done it had it not been for Republicans blocking him.
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    Re: Do you support Obama's continuation of Bush's policies on the War on Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Things I do have a problem with:
    - The continuing use of extraodinary rendition
    - Gitmo detainees not being afforded due process

    Things I think were a positive:
    - Drawdown in Iraq

    Things I don't particularly lean one way or the other, I just think it's a difficult situation:
    - ongoing operations in Afghanistan. If he wants to pull out now, the Afghan government isn't ready to take over the country, and neither are their security forces. On the other hand, if we actually want to do this "nation-building" thing the right way, we may be stuck there for a generation.

    That's all I have for now, pretty sure I left some other things out that I can't think of off the top of my head.
    Quite reasonable.

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    Re: Do you support Obama's continuation of Bush's policies on the War on Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    I appreciate your honest opinion, but I don't think these assertions are entirely true. I'd agree with you if they were.
    How have we not brought democracy to those countries?

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    Re: Do you support Obama's continuation of Bush's policies on the War on Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    That's their problem, not mine.

    And you still haven't responded to my point. Location has no bearing on the treatment of detainees. You can take them out of Gitmo and interrogate them just as well as you can anywhere else.
    ........so why close Gitmo?

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    Re: Do you support Obama's continuation of Bush's policies on the War on Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Anyone have a link for that? Please, thanks.
    Abu Ghraib Called Incubator for Terrorists - New York Times

    American commanders in Iraq are expressing grave concerns that the overcrowded Abu Ghraib prison has become a breeding ground for extremist leaders and a school for terrorist foot soldiers.

    The reason is that the confinement allows detainees to forge relationships and exchange lessons of combat against the United States and the new Iraqi government. "Abu Ghraib is a graduate-level training ground for the insurgency," said an American commander in Iraq.

    The American military has halted transferring detainees to Iraqi jailers until the Iraqis improve their prisoner care. But concerns about the growing detainee population under American control have prompted a number of officers to stop sending every suspect rounded up in raids to Abu Ghraib and other prisons. Many inmates might instead be released if initial questioning indicated that they were not hardened fighters against the American troops and the Iraqi government.

    "These decisions have to be intelligence driven, on holding those who are extreme threats or who can lead us to those who are," another American officer in Iraq said. "We don't want to be putting everybody caught up in a sweep into Jihad University."
    Bush admitted this to Bob Woodward during Woodward's writing of The War Within. Bush told Woodward that the administration realized that terrorists were recruiting others within the prison.

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    Re: Do you support Obama's continuation of Bush's policies on the War on Terror?

    Not really. But I don't care anyway, because they didn't want democracy in the first place. Bush just needed a more PC reason, instead of saying "we want your oil".

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