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    Re: Do you support Obama's continuation of Bush's policies on the War on Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Neither.

    He's between a rock and hard place.
    i agree. dumb ass poll.

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: Do you support Obama's continuation of Bush's policies on the War on Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by Badmutha View Post
    ......and the vital information that led to the dispatching of Osama......came straight out of Gitmo.

    Good thing it wasnt shut down huh Libs?
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    I didn't support closing Gitmo. However, are you seriously suggesting that location somehow has a bearing on how prisoners are interrogated? If a prisoner can be beat up and tortured in Gitmo, the same can be done in a supermax prison stateside.
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    Re: Do you support Obama's continuation of Bush's policies on the War on Terror?

    The White House admitted that Abu Graib created more terrorists than it stopped.
    Anyone have a link for that? Please, thanks.

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    Re: Do you support Obama's continuation of Bush's policies on the War on Terror?

    I really don't, only because with Obama in place they're not really able to be enforced. The truth is that you need to have an angry, ugly side of foreign policy to push your enemies and make them back down instead of push you back. If they don't fear you, it doesn't really matter. They feared Bush. They don't fear Obama.

    It's similar as to why foreign terrorists mocked Carter heartily back in the day, but when Reagan was elected they waived the white flag immediately. Perception is reality.

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    Re: Do you support Obama's continuation of Bush's policies on the War on Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    I supported them when Bush utilized the same tactics. Listen, I do not care how much people want to think that our soldiers will be treated right by the enemy if captured and we do not employ advanced techniques, the truth is that terrorists are going to torture and most likely decapitate them either way. So if you want to win a war you have to do some uncomfortable things, and I for one could care the least what happens to those who wish to harm this country.
    I could care less about the welfare of the terrorists we have locked up in GITMO and beyond. Most of them probably deserve to be locked away. But my feelings about the enemy should not outweigh my values as an American and as a human being. War is hell, that is clear, and soldiers are required to do some things in the line of duty that many of us would never have nightmares about, and may God bless them and their sacrifice. But our leaders and lawmakers are a different story, and they should be held to a different standard. Being an American isn't easy, or at least it shouldn't be, in that sometimes our adherance to inconvenient rules and values may halt our need for blood vengance and actions that we normally would condemn in others.
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    Re: Do you support Obama's continuation of Bush's policies on the War on Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by ADG View Post
    I could care less about the welfare of the terrorists we have locked up in GITMO and beyond. Most of them probably deserve to be locked away. But my feelings about the enemy should not outweigh my values as an American and as a human being. War is hell, that is clear, and soldiers are required to do some things in the line of duty that many of us would never have nightmares about, and may God bless them and their sacrifice. But our leaders and lawmakers are a different story, and they should be held to a different standard. Being an American isn't easy, or at least it shouldn't be, in that sometimes our adherance to inconvenient rules and values may halt our need for blood vengance and actions that we normally would condemn in others.
    Well said.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
    - Colonel Paul Yingling

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    Re: Do you support Obama's continuation of Bush's policies on the War on Terror?

    No, we should pull our forces out. Both Saddam and Osama are dead, we have brought democracy to both Iraq and Afghanistan, we have brought relative stability and security to the region, and we have killed most of the terrorists. It's time to call it a victory and head home. The Iraqi and Afghani security forces can take it from here.

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    Re: Do you support Obama's continuation of Bush's policies on the War on Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tyrannosaur View Post
    No, we should pull our forces out. Both Saddam and Osama are dead, we have brought democracy to both Iraq and Afghanistan, we have brought relative stability and security to the region, and we have killed most of the terrorists. It's time to call it a victory and head home. The Iraqi and Afghani security forces can take it from here.
    I appreciate your honest opinion, but I don't think these assertions are entirely true. I'd agree with you if they were.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
    - Colonel Paul Yingling

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    Re: Do you support Obama's continuation of Bush's policies on the War on Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by Badmutha View Post
    ......and the vital information that led to the dispatching of Osama......came straight out of Gitmo.

    Good thing it wasnt shut down huh Libs?
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    The AP originally reported this, but has backtracked. They recently added to their original story with the detail:

    Mohammed did not reveal the names while being subjected to the simulated drowning technique known as waterboarding, former officials said. He identified them many months later under standard interrogation, they said, leaving it once again up for debate as to whether the harsh technique was a valuable tool or an unnecessarily violent tactic.
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    Re: Do you support Obama's continuation of Bush's policies on the War on Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Neither.

    He's between a rock and hard place.
    Exactly. The answer is not really up there. He's doing somethings I don't support at all, like rendition and exculating Afghanistan. He has some things which are beyond his total control, like closing Gitmo. And somethings that i agree with, like ending the defense of torture and placing the focus on Afghanistan over Iraq. So, it's mixed.

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