Is Israel a Good Ally to the US?

I want to know if DP thinks Israel is a good ally to the United States. These are the conditions for "good":

1. Security - Does our alliance with Israel help or hurt our security? If it does both, does the help outweigh the hurt?

2. Loyalty - Does Israel ever intentionally act against U.S. interests? If so, do the benefits of our alliance outweigh the consequences of those actions?

3. Cost - Do the benefits of our alliance outweigh the costs, financial and political, of this alliance?

Make a case for keeping or ending our alliance with Israel. I tend to fall somewhere in the middle with a lean towards "ending".

theplaydrive said:

I want to know if DP thinks Israel is a good ally to the United States. These are the conditions for "good":

1. Security - Does our alliance with Israel help or hurt our security? If it does both, does the help outweigh the hurt?

2. Loyalty - Does Israel ever intentionally act against U.S. interests? If so, do the benefits of our alliance outweigh the consequences of those actions?

3. Cost - Do the benefits of our alliance outweigh the costs, financial and political, of this alliance?


Make a case for keeping or ending our alliance with Israel. I tend to fall somewhere in the middle with a lean towards "ending".

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We have been supposedly attacked by Al Qaeda and others and are hated throughout the world for our support of the terrorist state of Israel so #1 is not it does help us.

Israel has attacked U.S Warships in international waters and tried to claim it was an accident yet they were flying the U.S Flag prominently. They have murdered u.s citizens. So #2 is not they are not loyal

They cost us more in aid than we send to the entire continent of Africa per year so yeah its costing us a lot.

Not only USA, but also the entirely Western World must help Israel.

Reasons:

1. If Israel ceases out to exist all churches will be transformed to Mosques.
2. Israel is a bastion against Islamization.
3. Israel possess excellent know-how in fight against Islamic terrorism.
4. Israel is only Democracy in the Middle East.
5. Israel has many good technologies.

theplaydrive said:

I want to know if DP thinks Israel is a good ally to the United States. These are the conditions for "good":

1. Security - Does our alliance with Israel help or hurt our security? If it does both, does the help outweigh the hurt?

2. Loyalty - Does Israel ever intentionally act against U.S. interests? If so, do the benefits of our alliance outweigh the consequences of those actions?

3. Cost - Do the benefits of our alliance outweigh the costs, financial and political, of this alliance?

Make a case for keeping or ending our alliance with Israel. I tend to fall somewhere in the middle with a lean towards "ending".

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You no more fall in the middle than GOB does. Believe what you want but, at least, be honest about it.

GoodOleBoy said:

We have been supposedly attacked by Al Qaeda and others and are hated throughout the world for our support of the terrorist state of Israel so #1 is not it does help us.

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We've "supposedly" been attacked by Al Quada? You don't believe that we were?

X Factor said:

You no more fall in the middle than GOB does. Believe what you want but, at least, be honest about it.

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Please state my position for me.

Alfons said:

Not only USA, but also the entirely Western World must help Israel.

Reasons:

1. If Israel ceases out to exist all churches will be transformed to Mosques.
2. Israel is a bastion against Islamization.
3. Israel possess excellent know-how in fight against Islamic terrorism.
4. Israel is only Democracy in the Middle East.
5. Israel has many good technologies.

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ROFL. I must have forgot that it was Israel that stopped the muslims from taking over Europe during the crusades. Israel is a terrorist state that stole the land its country is built on and continues to murder and enslave the palestinian people to this day. No matter who condemns them they throw the anti semitism card out bc its useful to them still. The only reason Israel has good technologies is because my tax dollars pay for it in the form of aid sent to them from the U.S.They would not have to worry about Islamic freedom fighters if they had not terrorized palestine in the 40's to make the state of Israel.Israel is the perfect example of an apartheid state.

theplaydrive said:

Please state my position for me.

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You don't think we should support Israel so much and blame it on the "Israel Lobby" that we do. That about cover it?

X Factor said:

We've "supposedly" been attacked by Al Quada? You don't believe that we were?

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We may have been but I don't believe they attacked us on 9/11.They attack us for supporting Israel and its genocidal policies against the rest of the middle east.The u.s deserves what it gets its sad to see our soldiers dying for Israel's wars. We are Israel's bitch.Plain and simple.

X Factor said:

You don't think we should support Israel so much and blame it on the "Israel Lobby" that we do. That about cover it?

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No - that's a gross simplification.

1. Security - Does our alliance with Israel help or hurt our security? If it does both, does the help outweigh the hurt?

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Israel is a pariah state and by aligning ourselves with them, we make ourselves enemies of the entire Islamic world. 9/11 would not have happened if not for our support of Israel.

2. Loyalty - Does Israel ever intentionally act against U.S. interests? If so, do the benefits of our alliance outweigh the consequences of those actions?

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Does selling secrets to the Soviet Union in return for Jewish emigres count as acting against U.S interests?

3. Cost - Do the benefits of our alliance outweigh the costs, financial and political, of this alliance?

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No. What does Israel do for us in return for the billions we give them each year? Some would argue that they pump that money back into our economy by buying arms and create jobs by doing so. But just think of how else that money could be spent. We could be using it to repair our crumbling infrastructure or improve our education system. No, they simply are not worth it.

By the way, I'm no anti-Semite. I have nothing against American Jews, except the ones who blindly support Israel.

Israel is a very important ally, and a place where a lot of post-holocaust Jews went. I feel we need to protect this Jewish state because it means a lot to many Americans for religious and more direct purposes.

theplaydrive said:

No - that's a gross simplification.

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It's the same here as it is everywhere you are either full blown kiss ass to israel or you are an anti semite...that's how 99% people see it then there is the 1% we belong to who see things rationally and clearly.

GoodOleBoy said:

ROFL. I must have forgot that it was Israel that stopped the muslims from taking over Europe during the crusades. Israel is a terrorist state that stole the land its country is built on and continues to murder and enslave the palestinian people to this day. No matter who condemns them they throw the anti semitism card out bc its useful to them still. The only reason Israel has good technologies is because my tax dollars pay for it in the form of aid sent to them from the U.S.They would not have to worry about Islamic freedom fighters if they had not terrorized palestine in the 40's to make the state of Israel.Israel is the perfect example of an apartheid state.

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Well, wait a second, I thought you agreed with racial separation but you're going to accuse Israel of being an apartheid state? That's rich.

ROFL. I must have forgot that it was Israel that stopped the muslims from taking over Europe during the crusades.

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LOL!

Israel is a terrorist state that stole the land its country is built on and continues to murder and enslave the palestinian people to this day.

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The country of Israel has been given to jews by God, there is not a nation "palestinian people", to 90 % they are arabic immigrants as weapon against Israel.

No matter who condemns them they throw the anti semitism card out bc its useful to them still. The only reason Israel has good technologies is because my tax dollars pay for it in the form of aid sent to them from the U.S.

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Not only you pay tax.

They would not have to worry about Islamic freedom fighters if they had not terrorized palestine in the 40's to make the state of Israel.Israel is the perfect example of an apartheid state.

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Did you ever been in Israel, I think after an journey you will change your mind. Only Arabs are terrorists in Israel.BTW what is your mind about the true apartheid for copts in Egypt?

Israel is also the only democratic state in the Mid-east, and actually needs our help. It will be a terrible day, if/when the Islamic states invade and once again do another Jewish genocide.

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Well, wait a second, I thought you agreed with racial separation but you're going to accuse Israel of being an apartheid state? That's rich.

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I do agree with Separation but don't do it by destroying an already established nation like Palestine was. Before you go and say that's what we did here in the U.S we didn't because the U.S at the time was not a nation but a country filled with different warring tribes of indians.

Yes, Israel is a good ally. They are a modern democracy in a region plagued by theocracies and terrorism. They oppose and combat terrorism along with us as well. Israel is a technologically advanced nation and we benefit from them economically. Israel is a good ally for the US and we should support them and their efforts to stamp out terrorism.

Alfons said:

LOL!



The country of Israel has been given to jews by God, there is not a nation "palestinian people", to 90 % they are arabic immigrants as weapon against Israel.



Not only you pay tax.



Did you ever been in Israel, I think after an journey you will change your mind. Only Arabs are terrorists in Israel.BTW what is your mind about the true apartheid for copts in Egypt?

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Well that's for you if you believe in god. To me its just the greatest story of fiction ever told.No I am not the only one who pays taxes but I want what I do pay to go to things in my country not in some crap hole in the middle east. I will never go to Israel wouldn't mind visiting Syria or Iran though...

theplaydrive said:

I want to know if DP thinks Israel is a good ally to the United States. These are the conditions for "good":

1. Security - Does our alliance with Israel help or hurt our security? If it does both, does the help outweigh the hurt?

2. Loyalty - Does Israel ever intentionally act against U.S. interests? If so, do the benefits of our alliance outweigh the consequences of those actions?

3. Cost - Do the benefits of our alliance outweigh the costs, financial and political, of this alliance?

Make a case for keeping or ending our alliance with Israel. I tend to fall somewhere in the middle with a lean towards "ending".

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I'll answer this earlier than I wanted to so XFactor can actually start addressing arguments instead of personally attacking other posters. I answered "Other" on the poll.

1. It both helps and hurts. It hurts us because our alliance and unwavering support of Israel make it difficult for the U.S. make alliances with Arab states and increase support of Muslim terrorist organizations. It helps us because we have a democratic ally in the Middle East who has the same interest in spreading democracy. Also, it's just good to have a strong nuclear power in the Middle East. The way our alliance is structured now, the hurt outweighs the help. As a result, we need to restructure our alliance.

2. Israel isn't particularly loyal with it's espionage and selling security equipment to China. In light of this, we need to restructure our alliance and not offer it so much political and financial support as it sends the signal that they can do whatever they want to us and we'll in turn give them whatever they want.

3. Israel gets one of the highest aid packages, if not the highest, and it gets an excessive amount of political support from the U.S.. The cost would be worth it if Israel seemed intent on finding a solution to the Palestinian issue, but it doesn't, so I think the costs outweigh the benefits and they should be decreased to put pressure on Israel.

In short ,it's good and bad, but mostly bad as it is now. This can be changed by simply restructuring our relationship so that it benefits us more.

celticwar17 said:

Israel is also the only democratic state in the Mid-east, and actually needs our help. It will be a terrible day, if/when the Islamic states invade and once again do another Jewish genocide.

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Oh believe me that day will happen I will throw a party when it does.The u.s can only protect Israel's butt so long before they get rightfully destroyed.

celticwar17 said:

Israel is a very important ally, and a place where a lot of post-holocaust Jews went. I feel we need to protect this Jewish state because it means a lot to many Americans for religious and more direct purposes.

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All true Christians support Israel,I hope it will sometimes join EU.We must help Israel!

Alfons said:

All true Christians support Israel,I hope it will sometimes join EU.We must help Israel!

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Wrong. I am a Christian who supports Israel, but it's not necessary for our faith nor does it make Christians who don't support Israel "not true Christians." Israel is not European so why should it join the EU? I agree that we should help Israel and that Israel is a force for good in our world. However, it's wrong to say that all "true" Christians support Israel or that Israel should join the EU.

Israel fights for its basic survival, every single day. Therefore, it doesn't have the luxury of being able to worry about U.S. interests. It fights to stay alive, from one moment to the next. We don't know what kind of an ally it is, because it can't stop fighting long enough to do anything for or against the U.S. It lives to fight, and fights to live. The West needs Israel, and Israel needs the West. That's the fullest extent to which we can define our relationship, thus far.

GoodOleBoy said:

We may have been but I don't believe they attacked us on 9/11.They attack us for supporting Israel and its genocidal policies against the rest of the middle east.The u.s deserves what it gets its sad to see our soldiers dying for Israel's wars. We are Israel's bitch.Plain and simple.

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So, on top of everything else, you're a truther too. It's like I said before I've yet to encounter an intelligent racist.