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Is Israel a Good Ally to the US?

Is Israel A Good Ally?

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GoodOleBoy said:
It's the same here as it is everywhere you are either full blown kiss ass to israel or you are an anti semite...that's how 99% people see it then there is the 1% we belong to who see things rationally and clearly.
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We're supposed to believe the white supremacist is in that "rational" 1%? LOL
 
GoodOleBoy said:
YouTube - ISRAEL - THE WORLDS BIGGEST TERRORIST STATE
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Thanks for the propaganda... Israel is not a terrorist state. They don't fire rockets at civilians or preach a message of death towards those of another religion and race like their adversaries do. It is insane to suggest that Israel is a terrorist state when they are clearly surrounded by terrorists who are intolerant of Israel's existence.
 
digsbe said:
Thanks for the propaganda... Israel is not a terrorist state. They don't fire rockets at civilians or preach a message of death towards those of another religion and race like their adversaries do. It is insane to suggest that Israel is a terrorist state when they are clearly surrounded by terrorists who are intolerant of Israel's existence.
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What would you do when someone invades your country kills your family and destroys your home and way of life?
 
GoodOleBoy said:
What would you do when someone invades your country kills your family and destroys your home and way of life?
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I would fight back. Which is why Israel must take defensive actions against the Palestinian terrorists who attack their families and try to invade their country. The terrorists surround Israel. Israel must use military action from time to time to protect their very existence on this earth. Racist and intolerant terrorist nations tried to destroy Israel while it was only days old and also attacked Israel on the holiest day in Judaism (Yom Kippur). A terrorist state doesn't provide medical help for their enemies or make phone calls/drop warnings before they take defensive actions against an area. I would venture to say that Israel is the most humane nation when it comes to military actions.
 
digsbe said:
I would fight back. Which is why Israel must take defensive actions against the Palestinian terrorists who attack their families and try to invade their country. The terrorists surround Israel. Israel must use military action from time to time to protect their very existence on this earth. Racist and intolerant terrorist nations tried to destroy Israel while it was only days old and also attacked Israel on the holiest day in Judaism (Yom Kippur). A terrorist state doesn't provide medical help for their enemies or make phone calls/drop warnings before they take defensive actions against an area. I would venture to say that Israel is the most humane nation when it comes to military actions.
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Correct you would fight back. Which is exactly what Palestinians are doing. They are fighting back and one day they will win.
 
GoodOleBoy said:
Correct you would fight back. Which is exactly what Palestinians are doing. They are fighting back and one day they will win.
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No, they are acting as terrorists. They are fighting, Israel is fighting back. Eventually both Palestine and Israel will win if my hope of a two state solution ever becomes reality.
 
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What is it with this new influx of haters, anyway?
 
digsbe said:
No, they are acting as terrorists. They are fighting, Israel is fighting back. Eventually both Palestine and Israel will win if my hope of a two state solution ever becomes reality.
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They are fighting back against Israel because Israel destroyed their nation kills their children destroys homes doesn't allow aid in to help them...one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.
 
digsbe said:
No, they are acting as terrorists. They are fighting, Israel is fighting back. Eventually both Palestine and Israel will win if my hope of a two state solution every becomes reality.
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So what would you have the Palestinians do?
 
Gardener said:
What is it with this new influx of haters, anyway?
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See told ya so OP. 99% people believe you are either Israel lovers or anti semites. I hate my politicians more for bowing to Israel and their pressure than I do Israel for taking the handouts.
 
GoodOleBoy said:
They are fighting back against Israel because Israel destroyed their nation kills their children destroys homes doesn't allow aid in to help them...one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.
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No. Israel doesn't kill their children or destroy their homes. That is propaganda. Israel doesn't target civilians and seldom do they actually use military actions compared to the numerous missiles and terrorist attacks that Palestinians have preformed and aimed at Israel's civilian population. Gaza is ruled by a terrorist organization n(Hamas). It would be insanity and a disrespect for innocent life to allow Hamas to smuggle in whatever they want through their waterways. Palestinian terrorists are not freedom fighters. They target and kill innocent Israeli civilians, this is terrorism. This is not fighting for freedom.
 
theplaydrive said:
So what would you have the Palestinians do?
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The notion that there is no escape for the Palestinians but to engage in the murdering of innocent Jewish civilians is a very poorly backed one that does not necessarily rely on logical reasoning and rather on pure support for the acts of murder themselves.
 
ElCid said:
Maybe those who disagree with you, view you as a hater.
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Maybe they're wrong and he's right, hell it's always a possibility.
 
GoodOleBoy said:
Oh believe me that day will happen I will throw a party when it does.The u.s can only protect Israel's butt so long before they get rightfully destroyed.
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So, you want Israel destroyed and Jews to suffer genocide but, naw, no, you're not anti-Semitic. I don't know what's more annoying, that you're so clueless or that you believe everybody else is.
 
Apocalypse said:
The notion that there is no escape for the Palestinians but to engage in the murdering of innocent Jewish civilians is a very poorly backed one that does not necessarily rely on logical reasoning and rather on pure support for the acts of murder themselves.
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I haven't said that so your comment is irrelevant. Also, you didn't answer my question.

It should also be noted that during the conflict, 7978 Palestinians (59% civilian, 20% children) have been killed and 1503 Israelis (69% civilian, 12% children) have been killed. I assume you'll just ignore the clear lack of balance between the two figures.

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Apocalypse said:
Maybe they're wrong and he's right, hell it's always a possibility.
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Yeah, but maybe he's wrong, and they're right. The possibilities go around and around, don't they?
 
Israel is an important but far less than ideal ally.
 
digsbe said:
No. Israel doesn't kill their children or destroy their homes. That is propaganda. Israel doesn't target civilians and seldom do they actually use military actions compared to the numerous missiles and terrorist attacks that Palestinians have preformed and aimed at Israel's civilian population. Gaza is ruled by a terrorist organization n(Hamas). It would be insanity and a disrespect for innocent life to allow Hamas to smuggle in whatever they want through their waterways. Palestinian terrorists are not freedom fighters. They target and kill innocent Israeli civilians, this is terrorism. This is not fighting for freedom.
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Wow. You are brainwashed. Ask some of these other Israel lovers they do destroy homes that is how Rachel Corrie was murdered protecting a family from having their home demolished.Hamas was elected by the people course you probably think that's propaganda as well eh? The palestinians are fighting for their lives and their freedom try going to palestine and looking at how they live..Israel used white phosphorous against civilians I believe it was 2 years ago. It is BANNED by the international comm unity but Israel doesn't care.
 
Redress said:
Israel is an important but far less than ideal ally.
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It doesn't have time to be 'ideal' in any sense. Survivalism doesn't lend itself to idealism.
 
theplaydrive said:
I want to know if DP thinks Israel is a good ally to the United States. These are the conditions for "good":

1. Security - Does our alliance with Israel help or hurt our security? If it does both, does the help outweigh the hurt?

2. Loyalty - Does Israel ever intentionally act against U.S. interests? If so, do the benefits of our alliance outweigh the consequences of those actions?

3. Cost - Do the benefits of our alliance outweigh the costs, financial and political, of this alliance?

Make a case for keeping or ending our alliance with Israel. I tend to fall somewhere in the middle with a lean towards "ending".
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They're not an 'ally' - they're a moral burden stemming from political and religious issues.

Like a child who never leaves the nest.
 
theplaydrive said:
I haven't said that so your comment is irrelevant. Also, you didn't answer my question.
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No, you haven't said that, you've merely suggested it in a way that has left no room for misinterpretation.
"What else can the Palestinians do"? Is that not a rhetoric question?
If it is, you have my pardon for being misunderstood, although it is very confusing as to why would you be asking a rhetorical question in such manner.
If not, then clearly you are asking it sincerely, you actually do not know or believe the Palestinians to have any other option but to murder innocent Jewish civilians, and thus the interpretation I've made earlier is the only one that can be made. You leave no room for any other interpretations.

It should also be noted that during the conflict, 7978 Palestinians (59% civilian, 20% children) have been killed and 1503 Israelis (69% civilian, 12% children) have been killed. I assume you'll just ignore the clear lack of balance between the two figures.
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And here you suggest that numbers are a decisive factor in deciding on intent. No, they are not, there are thousand of other factors to be taken into mind except of numbers.
At the end of the day it falls down to the fact that Palestinian terrorists actually target civilians while Israeli forces do not and have no intention to, and indeed, actually try and minimize the casualties amongst civilians.

After all one could just as well say that because there were way less civilian casualties of the war on terrorism on the Western side than there was on the Islamic side it means that the Western forces are the ones to be targeting civilians and not the Islamic terrorist organizations. That as you can see would clearly not be the case, just as the suggestion you're making with those figures is far from being the case concerning Israeli forces' intentions.
 
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