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    Re: Is Israel a Good Ally to the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by ElCid View Post
    Maybe those who disagree with you, view you as a hater.
    Maybe they're wrong and he's right, hell it's always a possibility.
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    Re: Is Israel a Good Ally to the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by GoodOleBoy View Post
    Oh believe me that day will happen I will throw a party when it does.The u.s can only protect Israel's butt so long before they get rightfully destroyed.
    So, you want Israel destroyed and Jews to suffer genocide but, naw, no, you're not anti-Semitic. I don't know what's more annoying, that you're so clueless or that you believe everybody else is.
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    Re: Is Israel a Good Ally to the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    The notion that there is no escape for the Palestinians but to engage in the murdering of innocent Jewish civilians is a very poorly backed one that does not necessarily rely on logical reasoning and rather on pure support for the acts of murder themselves.
    I haven't said that so your comment is irrelevant. Also, you didn't answer my question.

    It should also be noted that during the conflict, 7978 Palestinians (59% civilian, 20% children) have been killed and 1503 Israelis (69% civilian, 12% children) have been killed. I assume you'll just ignore the clear lack of balance between the two figures.

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    Re: Is Israel a Good Ally to the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    Maybe they're wrong and he's right, hell it's always a possibility.
    Yeah, but maybe he's wrong, and they're right. The possibilities go around and around, don't they?
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    Re: Is Israel a Good Ally to the US?

    Israel is an important but far less than ideal ally.
    We became a great nation not because we are a nation of cynics. We became a great nation because we are a nation of believers - Lindsey Graham

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    Re: Is Israel a Good Ally to the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    No. Israel doesn't kill their children or destroy their homes. That is propaganda. Israel doesn't target civilians and seldom do they actually use military actions compared to the numerous missiles and terrorist attacks that Palestinians have preformed and aimed at Israel's civilian population. Gaza is ruled by a terrorist organization n(Hamas). It would be insanity and a disrespect for innocent life to allow Hamas to smuggle in whatever they want through their waterways. Palestinian terrorists are not freedom fighters. They target and kill innocent Israeli civilians, this is terrorism. This is not fighting for freedom.
    Wow. You are brainwashed. Ask some of these other Israel lovers they do destroy homes that is how Rachel Corrie was murdered protecting a family from having their home demolished.Hamas was elected by the people course you probably think that's propaganda as well eh? The palestinians are fighting for their lives and their freedom try going to palestine and looking at how they live..Israel used white phosphorous against civilians I believe it was 2 years ago. It is BANNED by the international comm unity but Israel doesn't care.

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    Re: Is Israel a Good Ally to the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Israel is an important but far less than ideal ally.
    It doesn't have time to be 'ideal' in any sense. Survivalism doesn't lend itself to idealism.
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    Re: Is Israel a Good Ally to the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    I want to know if DP thinks Israel is a good ally to the United States. These are the conditions for "good":

    1. Security - Does our alliance with Israel help or hurt our security? If it does both, does the help outweigh the hurt?

    2. Loyalty - Does Israel ever intentionally act against U.S. interests? If so, do the benefits of our alliance outweigh the consequences of those actions?

    3. Cost - Do the benefits of our alliance outweigh the costs, financial and political, of this alliance?

    Make a case for keeping or ending our alliance with Israel. I tend to fall somewhere in the middle with a lean towards "ending".
    They're not an 'ally' - they're a moral burden stemming from political and religious issues.

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    Re: Is Israel a Good Ally to the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    I haven't said that so your comment is irrelevant. Also, you didn't answer my question.
    No, you haven't said that, you've merely suggested it in a way that has left no room for misinterpretation.
    "What else can the Palestinians do"? Is that not a rhetoric question?
    If it is, you have my pardon for being misunderstood, although it is very confusing as to why would you be asking a rhetorical question in such manner.
    If not, then clearly you are asking it sincerely, you actually do not know or believe the Palestinians to have any other option but to murder innocent Jewish civilians, and thus the interpretation I've made earlier is the only one that can be made. You leave no room for any other interpretations.

    It should also be noted that during the conflict, 7978 Palestinians (59% civilian, 20% children) have been killed and 1503 Israelis (69% civilian, 12% children) have been killed. I assume you'll just ignore the clear lack of balance between the two figures.
    And here you suggest that numbers are a decisive factor in deciding on intent. No, they are not, there are thousand of other factors to be taken into mind except of numbers.
    At the end of the day it falls down to the fact that Palestinian terrorists actually target civilians while Israeli forces do not and have no intention to, and indeed, actually try and minimize the casualties amongst civilians.

    After all one could just as well say that because there were way less civilian casualties of the war on terrorism on the Western side than there was on the Islamic side it means that the Western forces are the ones to be targeting civilians and not the Islamic terrorist organizations. That as you can see would clearly not be the case, just as the suggestion you're making with those figures is far from being the case concerning Israeli forces' intentions.
    Last edited by Apocalypse; 05-01-11 at 05:46 PM.
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