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    Re: Is Israel a Good Ally to the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    lol, you wanted to know how our alliance with Israel ever benefitted us. Well, having a personal guard dog with a serious set of teeth in the ME isn't all bad. I'm just sayin'.

    Edit: Seriously, I'm a "pox on both their houses" kind of gal when it comes to the Israeli/Palistenian issue. However, so many anti-Israeli posters are so completely rabid, foam-spitting, irrational haters that I sometimes end up defending Israel when it took a perfectly logical step to respond to provocation. Mostly I stay out of the ME forums. They make my hair hurt.
    Amen to that.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: Is Israel a Good Ally to the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Amen to that.
    Second amen. I think I just learned my lesson.

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    Re: Is Israel a Good Ally to the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Going off of my previous analogy in post 82...when's the last time Israel gave us a blowjob or made us a sandwich? Okay, okay, they did give us Natalie Portman/Queen Amidala. What else?
    I decree that this absolves them of about 20% of their misdeeds.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    That would be legitimate news agencies, non-politicized reports of various types, that sort of thing.
    What a coinkidink! I use the same ones!

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    They blew up Saddam's nuclear plant for us!
    Yes, back when the U.S. and Iraq were mortal enemies!
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    Re: Is Israel a Good Ally to the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by Demon of Light View Post
    What a coinkidink! I use the same ones!


    No, I meant actual legitimate news sources, and not Prison Planet, Rense, Counterpunch, Infowars, Globalresearch, Informationclearinghouse or Abovetopsecret.
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    Re: Is Israel a Good Ally to the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    No, I meant actual legitimate news sources, and not Prison Planet, Rense, Counterpunch, Infowars, Globalresearch, Informationclearinghouse or Abovetopsecret.
    I've never even heard of those...
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
    - Colonel Paul Yingling

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    Re: Is Israel a Good Ally to the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    No, I meant actual legitimate news sources, and not Prison Planet, Rense, Counterpunch, Infowars, Globalresearch, Informationclearinghouse or Abovetopsecret.
    Find a single time where I have cited such a source here with regards to the Middle East or Jews, or whatever it is you are accusing me of consulting them on.
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