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    Re: Is Israel a Good Ally to the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    I've never seen StillBallin use those sources so your loaded question was nonsensical.
    It wasn't nonsense at all, since he has not proven capable of answering his own question, thus bringing into question the sites he does use.
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    Re: Is Israel a Good Ally to the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    It wasn't nonsense at all, since he has not proven capable of answering his own question, thus bringing into question the sites he does use.
    Why was I supposed to answer my own question again? I did mention Natalie
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: Is Israel a Good Ally to the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    It wasn't nonsense at all, since he has not proven capable of answering his own question, thus bringing into question the sites he does use.
    Nah. The only thing that brings into question the sites he uses is your loaded question.

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    Re: Is Israel a Good Ally to the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    I want to know if DP thinks Israel is a good ally to the United States. These are the conditions for "good":

    1. Security - Does our alliance with Israel help or hurt our security? If it does both, does the help outweigh the hurt?

    2. Loyalty - Does Israel ever intentionally act against U.S. interests? If so, do the benefits of our alliance outweigh the consequences of those actions?

    3. Cost - Do the benefits of our alliance outweigh the costs, financial and political, of this alliance?

    Make a case for keeping or ending our alliance with Israel. I tend to fall somewhere in the middle with a lean towards "ending".
    The answers are:

    1. Both, and the answer to the second part is probably classified.
    2. Yes.
    3. No.

    That said, those answers also apply to every one of our other "allies" around the globe. So as a bash-Israel thread, this one is a definite "fail".

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    Re: Is Israel a Good Ally to the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    The answers are:

    1. Both, and the answer to the second part is probably classified.
    2. Yes.
    3. No.

    That said, those answers also apply to every one of our other "allies" around the globe. So as a bash-Israel thread, this one is a definite "fail".
    Agree with those answers. Personally I don't think our alliance with Israel should "end." I just think more scrutiny needs to come into play when discussing our policies toward Israel when they're not helping.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
    - Colonel Paul Yingling

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    Re: Is Israel a Good Ally to the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    So as a bash-Israel thread, this one is a definite "fail".
    LOL. I'll try harder next time. Maybe my next poll will be a loaded question like "Why does Israel suck so hard?"

    (For all those prepared to call me an anti-semite and by "those" I mean X Factor, I am JOKING.)

    But as far as the rest of your post, I agree.

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    Re: Is Israel a Good Ally to the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    LOL. I'll try harder next time. Maybe my next poll will be a loaded question like "Why does Israel suck so hard?"

    (For all those prepared to call me an anti-semite and by "those" I mean X Factor, I am JOKING.)

    But as far as the rest of your post, I agree.

    Was your promotion of Mersheimer and Walt's Elders of Zion style screed about the Jewish lobby also a joke when you submitted it in another thread?
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    Re: Is Israel a Good Ally to the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    Was your promotion of Mersheimer and Walt's Elders of Zion style screed about the Jewish lobby also a joke when you submitted it in another thread?
    People who accuse Mearsheimer or Walt of anything but being political scientists and academics with a viewpoint are not worth my time.

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    Re: Is Israel a Good Ally to the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Why was I supposed to answer my own question again? :
    Certainly. You asked it, after all, and if you really can't come up with something real instead of just listing an actress you find hot, then you give the very real impression you can't come up with anything at all.
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    Re: Is Israel a Good Ally to the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    Certainly. You asked it, after all, and if you really can't come up with something real instead of just listing an actress you find hot, then you give the very real impression you can't come up with anything at all.
    Hence why I asked the question.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
    - Colonel Paul Yingling

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