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    Re: Is Israel a Good Ally to the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    This is why I'm getting kind of tired of our "alliances" as they are. I think we need to start pulling back a bit and letting everybody take control of their own security - not just Israel, everybody.
    We have our money problems now...about time everybody stopped free-riding and started taking care of their own business.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: Is Israel a Good Ally to the US?

    Is Israel a good ally to the U.S?

    Yes.

    Is the U.S. a good ally to Israel?

    Not since Obama took office.

    Just another reason to be ashamed and offended by Obama.
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    Re: Is Israel a Good Ally to the US?

    When it comes to Israel, as a state I have no problem with. The people, I have no problem with. Its the actions of the Israeli government that annoys me. Overall, I think that Israel is a so-so ally.
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    Re: Is Israel a Good Ally to the US?

    Going off of my previous analogy in post 82...when's the last time Israel gave us a blowjob or made us a sandwich? Okay, okay, they did give us Natalie Portman/Queen Amidala. What else?
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: Is Israel a Good Ally to the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Going off of my previous analogy in post 82...when's the last time Israel gave us a blowjob or made us a sandwich? Okay, okay, they did give us Natalie Portman/Queen Amidala. What else?
    When was the last time you approached the situation involving Israel with an open mind and used legitimate sources instead of propaganda sites?

    It was probably that long ago.
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    Re: Is Israel a Good Ally to the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    When was the last time you approached the situation involving Israel with an open mind and used legitimate sources instead of propaganda sites?

    It was probably that long ago.
    What are some sources that you deem appropriately legitimate?

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    Re: Is Israel a Good Ally to the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    When was the last time you approached the situation involving Israel with an open mind and used legitimate sources instead of propaganda sites?

    It was probably that long ago.
    I love how you think you know how I arrived at my opinions on Israel. Care to answer the question?

    For the record, my opinion on the alliance could pretty much be summarized by General Petraeus' testimony before the Senate from about a year ago.
    Last edited by StillBallin75; 05-01-11 at 10:06 PM.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
    - Colonel Paul Yingling

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    Re: Is Israel a Good Ally to the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    I love how you think you know how I arrived at my opinions on Israel. Care to answer the question?

    I didn't say how you arrived at your positions at all. In fact, I gave you the opportunity to say "why, just yesterday" or "Just last week", along with an answer to your own question.
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    Re: Is Israel a Good Ally to the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    What are some sources that you deem appropriately legitimate?
    That would be legitimate news agencies, non-politicized reports of various types, that sort of thing.

    It certainly wouldn't include websites designed for the purpose of propagandizing. Intelligent people recognize the difference.
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    Re: Is Israel a Good Ally to the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    That would be legitimate news agencies, non-politicized reports of various types, that sort of thing.

    It certainly wouldn't include websites designed for the purpose of propagandizing. Intelligent people recognize the difference.
    I've never seen StillBallin use those sources so your loaded question was nonsensical.

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