View Poll Results: What Should the Government Focus On, Raising Revenue or Tax Rates?

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Thread: Is Raising Revenue More Important Than Raising Tax Rates?

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    Re: Is Raising Revenue More Important Than Raising Tax Rates?

    Quote Originally Posted by Badmutha View Post
    In the Divided Socialist States of ObamAmerica.....where Democrats tax everything that moves and doesnt move.......any and all growth will have liberal government's ever growing hand in the pot. The problem we have is high taxation and over regulation are killing the kitty.......
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    Nice debate method you have there
    Lose a point and move on to another immediately to try and regain the advantage.

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    Re: Is Raising Revenue More Important Than Raising Tax Rates?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Nice debate method you have there
    Lose a point and move on to another immediately to try and regain the advantage.
    There isnt an industry in this country that doesnt have government's hand up its ass.........

    .......any and all economic growth will result in a growth in revenue........

    What is never lost never has to be regained........
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    Re: Is Raising Revenue More Important Than Raising Tax Rates?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Its pretty bad when you have to cut off part of my post in order to try and make a point.
    It's pretty bad when you disguise your key purposes with too many words.

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    Re: Is Raising Revenue More Important Than Raising Tax Rates?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mayor Snorkum View Post
    It's pretty bad when you disguise your key purposes with too many words.
    Here's a dictionary

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    Feel free to use it, if you can't keep up.

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    Re: Is Raising Revenue More Important Than Raising Tax Rates?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Lowering tax rates lowers revenue below what they would be without lowering the tax rates. While it will promote growth, the break even point tends to be quite far in the future and almost impossible to actually measure. Your premise for the thread is inherently flawed. The only way the government can affect revenue directly is by changing taxes.
    Yeah. Right.

    But not in the real world. Lowering the tax rates allows people to keep their money. When people have more money, they typically spend more. People (not governments) spending more money is what normal people call "economic growth". Economic growth expands the economy and results in....check this out...greater tax revenues.

    (GASP!....)

    Raising taxes, on the other hand. may or may not create a temporary spike in revenues.

    Then revenues decline.

    That's all there is to that.

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    Re: Is Raising Revenue More Important Than Raising Tax Rates?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    A tax rate too low to fund a social safety net is dangerous business.
    Then, since the Hammock is unconstitutional, don't fund it.

    Which is off topic.

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    Re: Is Raising Revenue More Important Than Raising Tax Rates?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Over the long term...15 to 20 years. Lowering taxes now would result in small gaines towards the end of the 2020's while costing us large amount of money now. I do not think any one has denied what I have said, that lower taxes encourages growth.
    Wrong.

    Even presuming your asserting that cutting taxes automatically leads to lower federal revenues, now matter how you slice it, cutting taxes does not cost "US" anything. Cut the Mayor's taxes and the Mayor has more of his own money in his pocket. Clearly cutting taxes will not cost the taxpayer a dime. Quite the reverse.

    Cutting taxes may, but historically does not, cost bureaucrats and parasites and other non-producers revenues, which, frankly, they simply do not deserve anyway.

    So, when you're referring to "us", are you in the employe of the government or are you one of the many getting undeserved handouts?

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    Re: Is Raising Revenue More Important Than Raising Tax Rates?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Did you really just pretend I asked a question I didn't ask? How about you actually debate me instead of yourself.
    You do realize this entire argument is a misunderstood concept of supply side economics that its own founders never argued no? Hacks ignore the fact that when the notion of tax cuts increasing tax revenue came out, the original members of that idea never argued that the tax cuts would pay for themselves, in fact that explicitly said otherwise. They ignore the part of the idea that the reduction in tax revenues would force the Federal Government to downsize and that in combination with the adjusted tax revenues that a proper level of government could be achieved. That fact is lost on so many hacks who pushing the idiotic idea that reducing tax rates from current rates will actually increase tax revenue beyond the amount lost from the reduction.
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    Re: Is Raising Revenue More Important Than Raising Tax Rates?

    OMG please please please not another supply-sider thread!! The Laffer Curve doesn't work like this!!
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

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    Re: Is Raising Revenue More Important Than Raising Tax Rates?

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    OMG please please please not another supply-sider thread!! The Laffer Curve doesn't work like this!!
    Well, not at the tax rates we're at now. I don't doubt the Laffer Curve's basic premise is right at the 70%+ tax rates. But below 50%, it becomes nothing more than speculation. Furthermore, US effective is low. Obama's own effective tax rate when adding in state tax is around 29%. The idea that we could actually grow revenue by cutting taxes when millionaires pay historically low rates is ignorant of history.
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