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    Re: Is Raising Revenue More Important Than Raising Tax Rates?

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Raise the rates and you raise the revenues, lower the rate and you lower revenues. Not rocket science. Only math.

    well, i never claimed to be good at math.


    i am good at history:






    historically it seems your claim that higher rates will equal higher revenues doesn't hold much water.

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    Re: Is Raising Revenue More Important Than Raising Tax Rates?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    well, i never claimed to be good at math.


    i am good at history:






    historically it seems your claim that higher rates will equal higher revenues doesn't hold much water.
    so what does that graph tell you CPwill

    About tax rates on the rich, the middle class, the poor?

    If the top marginal tax rate is decreasing while tax revenue for the federal government remains generally fairly stable, what does it mean

    Generally it would indicate a couple of things

    A probable increase in the number of people paying the top marginal rate, and that sources of government revenue outside of income taxes has most likely increased
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    Re: Is Raising Revenue More Important Than Raising Tax Rates?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    hilarious. you really can't draw a connection between the Government taking less money from the private sector, and the private sector having more money, can you?
    Hilarious. You really can't draw a connection between how demand impacts an economy can you?

    Btw, your notions of taxation = theft make you look like an idiot.

    And you seem to be highly unaware of the basic reality that businesses don't invest if they don't have good projects.

    Congrads. You just said the stupidest thing of your career here. And detailed just how ignorant you are of economic history.
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    Re: Is Raising Revenue More Important Than Raising Tax Rates?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    i am good at history
    Your posts suggest otherwise. Particularly how you did not understand how releasing private demand backed by private wealth can subsitute for a drop in government spending is not the same as how massive decline in private demand cannot subsitute for a decline in government spending.

    You did just argue that the time after WWII is comparable to right now. Not a sign you are good at history.
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    Re: Is Raising Revenue More Important Than Raising Tax Rates?

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Hilarious. Btw, your notions of taxation = theft make you look like an idiot.

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    Only to those who worship more government taking more money to buy the votes of people who want more government but aren't willing to pay for it. I know who looks like an idiot with his position on taxation and it sure isn't cpwill



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    Re: Is Raising Revenue More Important Than Raising Tax Rates?

    As the wealthy and "wealthier" provide for all the jobs, they should not have to pay any tax at all, nor should anyone, for that matter. We can just regress to the times of land barons and slaves - millenia ago..
    This seems to be the direction the conservatives are taking us ( or trying to)...

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    Re: Is Raising Revenue More Important Than Raising Tax Rates?

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Fixed. Does the sun go down because the street lights turn on?
    Why does every ****hole in this country have a Democrat at the helm.......and has had a Democrat at the helm--for DECADES?

    At the same time the government expanded spending. Or are you going to be worthless partisan hack and ignore that? We know for a fact that government spending boosts activity. Do we have a period of time where we don't have that factor?
    I do believe PORKULUS--The Largest Spending Bill in History..... is the most expensive example of how Government Spending clearly doesnt benefit an economy.......and more often than not......acts as a detriment.

    Which is your answer because you can't find one.

    If you understood statistics (which you clearly do not), you would understand why I am asking. Isolate factors. Ponder that for a change.
    Federal Tax Revenue AFTER The Bush Tax Cuts



    Federal Tax Revenue AFTER The Reagan Tax Cuts


    Federal Tax Revenue AFTER The JFK/Johnson Tax Cuts


    ........you Libtards do want MORE REVENUE right?
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    Re: Is Raising Revenue More Important Than Raising Tax Rates?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    so what does that graph tell you CPwill

    About tax rates on the rich, the middle class, the poor?
    well, the graph doesn't tell us this - but it is telling considering that when people talk about raising taxes in order to raise revenues - they are (usually) talking about raising taxes on the wealthy (those evil small business owners, etc). So it's worth pointing out that higher taxes on the wealthy hasn't really produced more revenue for us in the past - and that there is an argument to be made that it has produced worse.



    again, looking backwards, we see the effect of punitive rates.

    however, if it eases your worries, I can inform you that middle and lower tax rates moved in concert with the upper ones - and that all tax rates dramatically being reduced still did not move our revenue off of the historical average range.

    now, if revenues were a function of rates - then that would be just about impossible.

    If the top marginal tax rate is decreasing while tax revenue for the federal government remains generally fairly stable, what does it mean

    Generally it would indicate a couple of things

    A probable increase in the number of people paying the top marginal rate
    well that is true. lowering rates generally increases growth, which means wealth-building. it also reduces the incentive for avoidance.

    and that sources of government revenue outside of income taxes has most likely increased
    actually - as I understand it - the percentage paid by income taxes (and the related payroll tax) has increased, also,just as the percent of revenues paid by the highest-earners has also increased, even as their rates fell.

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    Re: Is Raising Revenue More Important Than Raising Tax Rates?

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    You really can't draw a connection between how demand impacts an economy can you?
    let us say that I am better at that than you are at realizing that government expenditures represent money that had to come from somewhere.

    Btw, your notions of taxation = theft make you look like an idiot.
    a fascinating statement. Do i look as much like an idiot as you do for claiming that I have argued that taxation = theft?

    And you seem to be highly unaware of the basic reality that businesses don't invest if they don't have good projects
    business doesn't invest unless they think they have good projects; and they want the good projects, they seek out the good projects because that will make them lots of money.

    politicians, on the other hand, don't care if the recipient of their largess is a good project.

    which is why (well, it's one of many reasons why) private spending and investment is superior to public spending and investment.

    and it's also why (well, it's one of many reasons why) the "oh we can stimulate demand through spending" artists are always so wrong in their predictions - because they fail to take into account opportunity costs.


    but i'm sure what will get us out of high unemployment is more spending studying robot bees. that's sure to do the trick! And studies on the habits of homosexual emo left -handed syrian youth!

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    Re: Is Raising Revenue More Important Than Raising Tax Rates?

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    As the wealthy and "wealthier" provide for all the jobs, they should not have to pay any tax at all, nor should anyone, for that matter. We can just regress to the times of land barons and slaves - millenia ago..
    This seems to be the direction the conservatives are taking us ( or trying to)...
    that's rather silly but its the lefties who want barons death taxes and high income taxes provide insulation for the uber rich and prevent hard working and frugal people with high salaries from becoming truly rich.

    as to slaves-again that is the left. if you are a tax payer in states with massive income taxes you spend half of your working hours working for the government. If you don't pay income taxes you are enslaved by the addiction of entitlement.

    most conservatives I know want people to be independent and responsible for their own upkeep. we don't want slaves-we don't want teat sucklers we have to pay for. its you lefties who want massive numbers of people controlled by big brother



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