View Poll Results: What would be the fuel of the future?

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    Re: The fuel of the future

    Quote Originally Posted by Juiposa View Post
    Yeah, it's a fuel cell car. The Internal combustion H2 cars are absolute crap and have no potential. But this fuel cell thing man....
    OK, devil's advocate, what kind of rare earth elements go into the making of a fuel cell? What countries have these elements? When will they form a cartel to jack the prices up.
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    Re: The fuel of the future

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    OK, devil's advocate, what kind of rare earth elements go into the making of a fuel cell? What countries have these elements? When will they form a cartel to jack the prices up.

    Don't know, don't know, and again, I have no clue. I'm not a freaking scientist, I'm just eager to see how this turns out.
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    Re: The fuel of the future

    Quote Originally Posted by Juiposa View Post
    Hydrogen fuel cell. Endless sources and supply, no emission (other than water) and with more research will be dirt cheap.
    all those H2 powered cars dripping water, in already humid coastal cities.....who woulda thunk it, water will become a pollutant.!!!
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    Re: The fuel of the future

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    why add an extra step to the process? Use solar to charge batteries for an electric car. Maintenance for battery operated cars are minimal compared to the H2 powered internal combustion engine.
    Cause batteries are not eco friendly. The amount of toxic metals used to produce them equals the amount of damage gasoline does. Hydrogen can be produced in the house, or in huge electrolysis factories, completely eco-free

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    Re: The fuel of the future

    The clarity is good example of why hydrogen vehicles aren't the right choice. It requires an absurdly bulky 160 liter fuel tank in addition to a 57 liter fuel cell. On top of that it costs 150K, has miserable performance and has a dangerous compressed gas fuel storage mechanism.
    Compare it to the Tesla which is 70% of the cost and has sports car performance. On top of that the development potential of hydrogen is much lower than electric vehicles. Hydrogen storage technology can't really improve due to physical limitations. Meanwhile prototype batteries that exist today already promise 100% improvements over current production models. That doesn't even get into the advantages of simply using existing electric infrastructure VS trying to ship hydrogen around.

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    Re: The fuel of the future

    Quote Originally Posted by Juiposa View Post
    Don't know, don't know, and again, I have no clue. I'm not a freaking scientist, I'm just eager to see how this turns out.
    if you are young, you may live long enough....I am already old, 65 years.
    Much of this stuff was being discussed in Popular Science when I was a teenager, and still it isn't on the street.....
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    Re: The fuel of the future

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    if you are young, you may live long enough....I am already old, 65 years.
    Much of this stuff was being discussed in Popular Science when I was a teenager, and still it isn't on the street.....
    It has a long way to go, revolutions in technology take a while.
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    Re: The fuel of the future

    Quote Originally Posted by celticwar17 View Post
    Cause batteries are not eco friendly. The amount of toxic metals used to produce them equals the amount of damage gasoline does. Hydrogen can be produced in the house, or in huge electrolysis factories, completely eco-free
    Batteries are nasty, but are easily recycled. That being said, there is a golf cart repair business near my house that routinely dumps battery acid on the ground....the EPA is gonna need to get larger, their agents will have to get out of their comfy offices and enforce some rules.
    BTW, catalytic convertors have platinum, and they get stolen quite often, right off of cars sitting in the driveways.
    Gonna need some harsh penalties for people stealing fuel cells...not to mention the recyclers who buy from them.
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    Re: The fuel of the future

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    The clarity is good example of why hydrogen vehicles aren't the right choice. It requires an absurdly bulky 160 liter fuel tank in addition to a 57 liter fuel cell. On top of that it costs 150K, has miserable performance and has a dangerous compressed gas fuel storage mechanism.
    Compare it to the Tesla which is 70% of the cost and has sports car performance. On top of that the development potential of hydrogen is much lower than electric vehicles. Hydrogen storage technology can't really improve due to physical limitations. Meanwhile prototype batteries that exist today already promise 100% improvements over current production models. That doesn't even get into the advantages of simply using existing electric infrastructure VS trying to ship hydrogen around.
    You may have convinced me. Battery cars may better. But I stand firm that hydrogen fuel cells will be the way for the next power source. Fuel cell power plants, I don't know how feasible, but sound like a good idea.
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    Re: The fuel of the future

    Quote Originally Posted by Juiposa View Post
    It has a long way to go, revolutions in technology take a while.
    yes, tho some think that all we need to do is throw more money into research...
    you can't legislate progress, it comes when it comes....
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