View Poll Results: Public K-12 Education: Conservative or Liberal?

Voters
21. You may not vote on this poll
  • Conservative

    4 19.05%
  • Liberal

    10 47.62%
  • Other, please explain

    7 33.33%
Page 6 of 6 FirstFirst ... 456
Results 51 to 55 of 55

Thread: Public K-12 Education: Conservative or Liberal?

  1. #51
    Guru
    repeter's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2009
    Location
    California
    Last Seen
    07-15-14 @ 12:06 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Centrist
    Posts
    3,445

    Re: Public K-12 Education: Conservative or Liberal?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    I took both. my Econ was pretty basic; supply demand curve, what goes into GDP, etc. In my Poli Sci class I learned about federalism and the social contract. I also learned that Republicans wanted to control our personal lives, that our Republican Governor was anti-education, that George Bush was too stupid to be president, and that moving into a "living Constitution" society marked by a large and generous federal government was the logical conclusion of the Founders intent.
    I think thats more of a teacher's touch and personal opinion. I took government last semester this year, and economics this semester. My teacher is pretty conservative, but he's a really good teacher, and only pokes fun at history from his perspective. My government class didn't teach a whole lot, it basically went over the way government is set up, how power is divided, the principles behind the various Founding Fathers, nothing too intense. I don't even know which type of economics I'm learning (it never even mentions Keynes, or any other notable economist and/or major schools of thinking), its just supply and demand like your class. Though it has a bit more emphasis on government regulation than free-market ideology, from what I can tell.

    So...I guess the point of all that was that it depends on the teacher. I'd say you had a bad teacher who couldn't seperate the facts from his opinion and ideology.
    Veni. Vidi. Vici.
    -Gaius Julius Caesar
    The Only Thing to Fear is Fear Itself.
    -Franklin Delano Roosevelt

  2. #52
    Sage
    cpwill's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Location
    USofA
    Last Seen
    Today @ 05:30 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    57,148

    Re: Public K-12 Education: Conservative or Liberal?

    oh, she was an excellent teacher. I learned alot from her class - probably my third favorite from high school. But yes, she had trouble dividing the line between "my beliefs" and "the school curriculum." the point was simply that the humanities make this sort of thing easy - it's hard to come up with a liberal math philosophy.

  3. #53
    Bring us a shrubbery!
    tessaesque's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2011
    Location
    Plano, Texas
    Last Seen
    11-09-17 @ 06:18 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    15,910

    Re: Public K-12 Education: Conservative or Liberal?

    Since I am apparently not being clear, or since my personal experience over 15 years isn't enough testament, here are some articles/sources:

    What's Wrong With Standardized Tests? | FairTest

    Debate here: CNN.com - Transcripts

    With references: Facts on standardized tests and assessment alternatives

    Also: Standardized testing hurting U.S. education, new book contends | MSU News | Michigan State University

    This as well: http://www.bc.edu/research/nbetpp/statements/M1N4.pdf
    "Hmmm...Can't decide if I want to watch "Four Houses" or give myself an Icy Hot pee hole enema..." - Blake Shelton


  4. #54
    Sage
    cpwill's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Location
    USofA
    Last Seen
    Today @ 05:30 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    57,148

    Re: Public K-12 Education: Conservative or Liberal?

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    Since I am apparently not being clear, or since my personal experience over 15 years isn't enough
    that's correct it is not. because you are arguing from the experience of yourself as a student - but that is an experience shared by everyone on this board. I'm 2/3rds through my masters degree - does this mean that i out weigh you by a couple of years? No, and I would be a fool to claim that it does. which is why we demand that you bring forth some kind of evidence which connects to your point in a logical manner.

    instead what you presented were stories abouty your teachers failing to teach you the necessary material. that's not the fault of a testing format - that's the fault of the teacher.

    A perfect counterexample would be AP exams, which function in the exact same way. I had an awesome AP US history teacher in 11th grade - easily the class I learned most from in school. If you could get an 80 or above on his final you were virtually guaranteed a 5 on the AP. How? Because he had us memorize US history. All of it. He taught, he taught brilliantly, he taught effectively, and he had us come in on Wednesday nights so that he could teach us to write. And you know what? I got an 80 on his final.... and I got a 5 on the exam. And I majored in history in college, and it's one of my greatest strengths today in my poli sci studies.... all because of a high school teacher whose mission it was to make sure that I absolutely dominated..... a test. A test of bubble sheet questions followed by essays.

    oh wow, teachers complain because they are finally held to a metric? no way!

    evidence, connected by logic, to your theisis.
    Last edited by cpwill; 04-30-11 at 11:25 PM.

  5. #55
    Angry Former GOP Voter
    Fiddytree's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2008
    Last Seen
    Today @ 11:42 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Centrist
    Posts
    25,709

    Re: Public K-12 Education: Conservative or Liberal?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    see, now, why did you have to keep writing after you had already figured out the most important point?
    Because, cp, I'm a stubborn twat! I was trying to get you to expand upon that thought of yours to get you to admit to everyone else that it's not so simple to say for sure whether or not everything was just messed up with FDR's intervention.
    Michael J Petrilli-"Is School Choice Enough?"-A response to the recent timidity of American conservatives toward education reform. https://nationalaffairs.com/publicat...-choice-enough

Page 6 of 6 FirstFirst ... 456

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •