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    Re: Public K-12 Education: Conservative or Liberal?

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    I find public k-12 schools to be mostly nonpartisan? They do not get real deep into issues that could be considered liberal or not. I suppose sex education is somewhat liberal... but other than that, they are really just learning basic stuff man.
    history too; and poli sci and economics are also courses taught at the HS level.

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    Re: Public K-12 Education: Conservative or Liberal?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    okay.



    so you were taught the material on the test, study strategies, and how to write effectively.

    you're going to have to forgive me if i see this as not that bad a trade-off in return for a metric by which we can compare/contrast school, teacher, and student performance.
    NO, we weren't taught the material on the test, we were taught how to perform well w/o knowing the material (i.e. "C" is the most common answer, rule out the 2 most unlikely answers, etc). We weren't taught how to write properly, we were taught how to write to get the best grade. No focus was placed on grammar or structure, but on what type of story/essay they wanted (i.e. "they tend to prefer if you use lots of adjectives").

    Knowing how to fill in a bubble sheet is not a "study strategy". Basically, the teachers told us what the graders look for and then handed us a test booklet. The content on the test was almost never something we had covered in classes. We combed over the format repeatedly, but we didn't learn the items on the test. I distinctly remember the panic I always felt when we hit the math section. Most of the problems were like reading greek, because we hadn't covered the topics during our coursework.

    Also, we could discuss the fact that the tests are still racially biased towards caucasian students. Hispanic, Asian, and black students perform disproportionately lower on these tests than they do on standard classroom assignments. Classes specifically designed for students who have failed the TAKS test are disproportionately populated by minority students as well.

    They don't accomplish the original goal. These tests aren't designed in such a way that actually measure the academic success of the student. The system is flawed, and basing a teacher's livelihood on how many students pass a flawed test is ridiculous.
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    Re: Public K-12 Education: Conservative or Liberal?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    actually it would be called "education vouchers"
    which shouldn't be used for private schools. like i said, send your kids to private schools if you don't like public education. or change the public school system.

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    Re: Public K-12 Education: Conservative or Liberal?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    history too; and poli sci and economics are also courses taught at the HS level.
    Well, I did not take economics in High School, so I cannot speak for how they taught that. I did not take political science either, but I would imagine it would be a political science class could not have much of a lean since it is about politics itself. History... we learned about WWII, WWI, the Depression (yeah I know they didn't rip on FDR like you people want), and a **** ton of other wars. What is liberal about that?

    Do you have any proof at all that high schools teach liberal versions of those classes?
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    Re: Public K-12 Education: Conservative or Liberal?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    gosh if only there were some way that the government could allow you to control the education dollars allotted to your child so that you could direct them to a school that had neither...... what would we call such a system?
    The first steps towards theocracy?

    We're already dealing with two versions of recent history due to both sides propaganda.

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    Re: Public K-12 Education: Conservative or Liberal?

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    NO, we weren't taught the material on the test, we were taught how to perform well w/o knowing the material (i.e. "C" is the most common answer, rule out the 2 most unlikely answers, etc).
    A) everyone knows the "C" thing. if you had to get taught that then you had more issues than just the test.
    B) if they taught you to perform the process of analysis by reduction then they were teaching you critical thinking skills, i'm cool with that too.

    We weren't taught how to write properly, we were taught how to write to get the best grade
    thats the only way you are supposed to be taught to write. would you prefer to be taught to fail?

    No focus was placed on grammar or structure, but on what type of story/essay they wanted (i.e. "they tend to prefer if you use lots of adjectives").
    well that is problematic, but that's the graders fault, not the test's.

    Knowing how to fill in a bubble sheet is not a "study strategy". Basically, the teachers told us what the graders look for and then handed us a test booklet. The content on the test was almost never something we had covered in classes. We combed over the format repeatedly, but we didn't learn the items on the test. I distinctly remember the panic I always felt when we hit the math section. Most of the problems were like reading greek, because we hadn't covered the topics during our coursework.
    well then they didn't do a very good job of teaching to the test, now, did they?

    Also, we could discuss the fact that the tests are still racially biased towards caucasian students.
    and did you burst into uproarious laughter when they tried to pass of that pile of dung?

    They don't accomplish the original goal. These tests aren't designed in such a way that actually measure the academic success of the student.
    actually it sounds to me like your teachers sucked and the test graders were problematic. I didn't see a single thing you described as negatively reflecting on the tests.

    The system is flawed, and basing a teacher's livelihood on how many students pass a flawed test is ridiculous.
    on the contrary, testing quality is a far better means (if an imperfect one) than simple longevity. tenure does little but encourage sloth and abuse.

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    Re: Public K-12 Education: Conservative or Liberal?

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    Well, I did not take economics in High School, so I cannot speak for how they taught that. I did not take political science either, but I would imagine it would be a political science class could not have much of a lean since it is about politics itself.
    I took both. my Econ was pretty basic; supply demand curve, what goes into GDP, etc. In my Poli Sci class I learned about federalism and the social contract. I also learned that Republicans wanted to control our personal lives, that our Republican Governor was anti-education, that George Bush was too stupid to be president, and that moving into a "living Constitution" society marked by a large and generous federal government was the logical conclusion of the Founders intent.

    History... we learned about WWII, WWI, the Depression
    allow me to introduce you to an unfortunately common book assigned in history courses:

    Lies My Teacher Told Me: Everything Your American History Textbook Got Wrong.

    also popular with the educrat crowd is Howard Zinns' "A People's History of the United States; though that is more common in the collegiate world.

    (yeah I know they didn't rip on FDR like you people want), and a **** ton of other wars. What is liberal about that?
    i couldn't care if they rip on FDR or not; i just want them to accurately teach the history of that era as opposed to claiming that capitalism created the Great Depression and FDR "saved" us. that's like claiming that responsible lending practices created the mortgage crises and George Bush pulled us out.

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    Re: Public K-12 Education: Conservative or Liberal?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    A) everyone knows the "C" thing. if you had to get taught that then you had more issues than just the test.
    B) if they taught you to perform the process of analysis by reduction then they were teaching you critical thinking skills, i'm cool with that too.



    thats the only way you are supposed to be taught to write. would you prefer to be taught to fail?



    well that is problematic, but that's the graders fault, not the test's.



    well then they didn't do a very good job of teaching to the test, now, did they?



    and did you burst into uproarious laughter when they tried to pass of that pile of dung?



    actually it sounds to me like your teachers sucked and the test graders were problematic. I didn't see a single thing you described as negatively reflecting on the tests.



    on the contrary, testing quality is a far better means (if an imperfect one) than simple longevity. tenure does little but encourage sloth and abuse.
    That has to be the most elaborate non-response I have seen in a while. But it sounded clever and probably convinced those you are here to supervise.
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    Re: Public K-12 Education: Conservative or Liberal?

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    That has to be the most elaborate non-response I have seen in a while. But it sounded clever and probably convinced those you are here to supervise.
    tessy claimed that having to meet tests ruined her education, i asked her to describe how, and she told me that her teachers didn't cover the material tested in her class and that the graders had poor standards. seems to me that's a problem that can be solved by firing some teachers and graders.

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    Re: Public K-12 Education: Conservative or Liberal?

    From what I've heard, the problem with standardized tests is that they narrow the curriculum because teachers (and schools) would rather drill the students repeatedly on the specific test areas than explore other aspects of the textbooks and materials available. It takes time from class reflection on current events and other activities.

    Students who do not need the repeated drilling (and even those who do) lose out on being introduced to other aspects of the subject(s).



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