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Thread: Progressive Grading in School

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    Re: Progressive Grading in School

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Which doesn't address, at all, why a flat tax is not do able.
    Based on a percentage, rich people will still pay the vast majority of taxes.

    Marginal utility would be a good argument, if it were a fixed amount of taxes per person, which it is not.
    It is a fixed rate of taxes, and 15% of $30,000 is alot more to that person then 15% of 1,000,000 is. Simply due to the fact that the person making $30,000 is likely to spend all of their income on essential things such as housing, food, clothing, etc, and while the person making 1,00,000 is not. You can't hide from that fact.
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    Re: Progressive Grading in School

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    Not really.

    Both are measurements earned through work, yet one is acceptable to redistribute.
    Trap thread, Harry. If you hadn't said it wasn't that would be one thing, but you were very clear that it wasn't one. You created a trap thread and then were deceptive about it. Not cool.

    You want to play? OK. Yes. I thinik grades should absolutely be redistributed. Overall, one's grades have no impact on one's success. One's intelligence does. Therefore, if grades are redistributed, then EVERYONE has an opportunity to graduate and then, once in the workforce, excell or not on their own merits. Grade redistribution gives everyone an equal opportunity be given the chance to suceed or not based on what actually has an impact on their success. Intelligence, desire, and motivation.
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    Re: Progressive Grading in School

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    To detractors, would it not allow for those on the lower end to graduate and gain access to higher paying jobs?
    No, because universities and employers would not consider those grades legitimate. Just like a degree from Harvard is more impressive than a degree from Liberty University.

    What we should do is move to a more online-centric education system, where students can work at their own pace and they don't progress until they've mastered the material. Then it wouldn't be a question of whether a student did A-quality work or C-quality work on an individual unit...it would be how long it took them to earn an A on that unit.
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    Re: Progressive Grading in School

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    Trap thread, Harry. If you hadn't said it wasn't that would be one thing, but you were very clear that it wasn't one. You created a trap thread and then were deceptive about it. Not cool.

    You want to play? OK. Yes. I thinik grades should absolutely be redistributed. Overall, one's grades have no impact on one's success. One's intelligence does. Therefore, if grades are redistributed, then EVERYONE has an opportunity to graduate and then, once in the workforce, excell or not on their own merits. Grade redistribution gives everyone an equal opportunity be given the chance to suceed or not based on what actually has an impact on their success. Intelligence, desire, and motivation.
    It wasn't a trap thread as the intention was not to trap people.

    It's about questioning inconsistencies in beliefs.
    It's a way to challenge beliefs.
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    Re: Progressive Grading in School

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    If you didn't notice, I was pretty implicit in my expression of what the thread was about.
    It is a comparison.
    I said I was playing devil's advocate and if you didn't read through the purposefully easy to see through question of Progressive Grading, then I'm sorry I can't help you.

    If it were meant to be a trap, I would be interested in trapping people.
    What I'm more interested in, is the inconsistency and to challenge what people believe.

    A trap is meant to deceive, a trick, I had/have no intention.
    Absolutely did. You tried to make a comparison that does not really compare, rather than creating a thread about what you actually wanted to discuss. But if you REALLY want to play this way, I'm MORE than game. you see my last post. Do something with it... and trust me... I am quite well prepared to defend it.
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    Re: Progressive Grading in School

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    It wasn't a trap thread as the intention was not to trap people.

    It's about questioning inconsistencies in beliefs.
    It's a way to challenge beliefs.
    Except it has nothing to do with inconsistencies in belief. It looks at two dissimilar things. Saying that two dissimilar things are dissimilar and should be treated as such is not some form of hypocrisy.
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    Re: Progressive Grading in School

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    It wasn't a trap thread as the intention was not to trap people.

    It's about questioning inconsistencies in beliefs.
    It's a way to challenge beliefs.
    Nope. If you want to challenge inconsistencies, you need to make the two scenaros analogous. These are not. Tell me, Harry, do you think that those who fought for the US during the American Revolution are analogous to those from Hamas who fight against Israel?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    Re: Progressive Grading in School

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Absolutely did. You tried to make a comparison that does not really compare, rather than creating a thread about what you actually wanted to discuss. But if you REALLY want to play this way, I'm MORE than game. you see my last post. Do something with it... and trust me... I am quite well prepared to defend it.
    They are not non comparable.

    Both income and grades are based on effort, intelligence, conforming to the "leader" desires and timeliness of completion.

    A trap is about trapping people, this was clearly designed to be blatant about "Progressiveness" of "things."
    If it were designed to be a "trap" you and all the others, wouldn't have seen through it so easily.
    I'm much more clever than that.

    I wanted to see how people reacted and thought when they recognized that by "Progressive" I was also implicitly alluding to taxation.
    I want to challenge what you think, not trap you.
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    Re: Progressive Grading in School

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Which doesn't address, at all, why a flat tax is not do able.
    Based on a percentage, rich people will still pay the vast majority of taxes.

    Marginal utility would be a good argument, if it were a fixed amount of taxes per person, which it is not.
    What a progressive tax system does is not try to be fair(it's not), or try to equalize the tax burden(it does not). What it tries to do is ensure that taxes have the least effect on standard of living as possible, A person making 20k who pays 1k in taxes has their standard of living effected much more than a person making 100k and paying 10k. That is it's strength. You have not addressed this aspect of it, nor does your comparison to bricks and airplanes...err, taxes and grades.
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    Re: Progressive Grading in School

    Gotta tell you. For a while I've been reading these threads on taxes and I have been leaning towards a flat tax. Reading this thread has made me rethink that and realize that progressive taxation may make more sense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.


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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Had you been born elsewhere or at a different time you may very well have chosen a different belief system.
    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    It a person has faith they dont need to convince another of it, and when a non believer is not interested in listening to the word of the lord, " you shake the dust from your sandels and move on"

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