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    Re: Progressive Grading in School

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Knowing doesn't change anything.

    Greater good is arguable.
    It could be a great good to have people graduate, and that them feeling successful does more to help them, than actually making them go through the steps to complete it themselves.

    Both are forms of taxing achievement, both can claimed to be done for the "greater good."
    You don't get that a grade has no value if it is not representative of an education, and just giving them grades does not help them. Also it doesn't hurt taking away the grades of the kids who earned A's, because they have an education that is superior than what their grade shows, and they will have the education they earned, but the kids who were given the grades won't. And like I said, a high graduation % means jack **** if the kids are idiots. It is not for the greater good. Your analogy is weak, and there is no hypocrisy for not believing in this, and believing in a progressive tax system.
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    Re: Progressive Grading in School

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Except that bricks don't make airplanes, but good education can make a good career.
    You don't build a plane out of bricks, nor do you build an airport out of airplanes.

    Income and education have a high correlative connection.
    Education != grades

    They are just as similar.
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    Re: Progressive Grading in School

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Except that bricks don't make airplanes, but good education can make a good career.
    You don't build a plane out of bricks, nor do you build an airport out of airplanes.

    Income and education have a high correlative connection.
    But they have not received a good education, you just gave them grades, and not given them an education.
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    Re: Progressive Grading in School

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    You don't get that a grade has no value if it is not representative of an education, and just giving them grades does not help them. Also it doesn't hurt taking away the grades of the kids who earned A's, because they have an education that is superior than what their grade shows, and they will have the education they earned, but the kids who were given the grades won't. And like I said, a high graduation % means jack **** if the kids are idiots. It is not for the greater good. Your analogy is weak, and there is no hypocrisy for not believing in this, and believing in a progressive tax system.
    Would you then agree, that everyone having X amount of dollars is meaningless, if they are unproductive?
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    Re: Progressive Grading in School

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    But they have not received a good education, you just gave them grades, and not given them an education.
    ..... you do understand that you have just picked out the fatal flaw in the President's higher education policy?

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    Re: Progressive Grading in School

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Education != grades

    They are just as similar.
    Giving someone grades is very similar to giving someone money/services, that they haven't earned.

    You aren't teaching anyone, anything.
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    Re: Progressive Grading in School

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Would you then agree, that everyone having X amount of dollars is meaningless, if they are unproductive?
    No because money can be spent, help the economy, help provide people with housing, food, clothing etc, make sure that people aren't living in favela like conditions, and provide people with the opportunity to improve their scenario. ( This is where the discussion could lead to reforming welfare, but that's not for this thread IMO) While grades mean nothing if they are not earned, because they do not represent an education. I repeat grades are NOTHING if they do not represent the education one has received.
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    Re: Progressive Grading in School

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Giving someone grades is very similar to giving someone money/services, that they haven't earned.

    You aren't teaching anyone, anything.
    No it's not, money has value no matter how it is received, while grades do not have value unless you earn the education.
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    Re: Progressive Grading in School

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    No because money can be spent, help the economy, help provide people with housing, food, clothing etc, make sure that people aren't living in favela like conditions, and provide people with the opportunity to improve their scenario. ( This is where the discussion could lead to reforming welfare, but that's not for this thread IMO) While grades mean nothing if they are not earned, because they do not represent an education. I repeat grades are NOTHING if they do not represent the education one has received.
    And I fully agree.
    Grades are meaningless if they aren't gotten through the means of actual learning.

    Money can be spent but the thing that you keep separating is that in both situations, the person given the money or grades, hasn't earned it, hasn't learned how to earn it, they merely get it.

    Which is not productive in either situation.
    Helping the economy through progressive taxation in not actually helpful in the long run, it sends false signals to produce, when the consumption is artificial.
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    Re: Progressive Grading in School

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    And I fully agree.
    Grades are meaningless if they aren't gotten through the means of actual learning.

    Money can be spent but the thing that you keep separating is that in both situations, the person given the money or grades, hasn't earned it, hasn't learned how to earn it, they merely get it.

    Which is not productive in either situation.
    Helping the economy through progressive taxation in not actually helpful in the long run, it sends false signals to produce, when the consumption is artificial.
    And this is why I don't think just giving money to people is the best idea. But we should give them skills to earn money on their own. But this is a complaint on the welfare system, not progressive taxation.
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