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Thread: Progressive Grading in School

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    Re: Progressive Grading in School

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Public education is not egalitarian, not at all.

    This is most persistent through the individual district funding.
    Important qualification is principally egalitarian. There's no perfect expression of egalitarianism, anymore than there's a perfect expression of capitalism.

    That doesn't detract from my point anyway. The point is the classroom is ordered in a way that none of the actors can make a legitimate claim on somebody else's good grades. History doesn't necessarily order the economy that way.
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    Re: Progressive Grading in School

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    Important qualification is principally egalitarian. There's no perfect expression of egalitarianism, anymore than there's a perfect expression of capitalism.

    That doesn't detract from my point anyway. The point is the classroom is ordered in a way that none of the actors can make a legitimate claim on somebody else's good grades. History doesn't necessarily order the economy that way.
    Why shouldn't they be able to?
    If someone else had a better upbringing, better investment towards their education, than someone else who did not, why shouldn't it be redistributed to balance out the difference?

    And to add, what makes it ok to do this with income?
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    Re: Progressive Grading in School

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Why shouldn't they be able to?
    If someone else had a better upbringing, better investment towards their education, than someone else who did not, why shouldn't it be redistributed to balance out the difference?

    And to add, what makes it ok to do this with income?
    You know you just proved CC right about this being a trap thread.
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    Re: Progressive Grading in School

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Why shouldn't they be able to?
    If someone else had a better upbringing, better investment towards their education, than someone else who did not, why shouldn't it be redistributed to balance out the difference?

    And to add, what makes it ok to do this with income?
    There are pre-conditions to economic activity that the population as a whole participates in. This can be summed up as, 'maintaining a community'. Without a community, there is no economy. So people heavily invested in the economy also have a vested interest in the community, which sometimes requires welfare to maintain.

    Before the guy who can copyrighted bendy straws can capitalize on his invention, he needs all sorts of economic-political-cultural arrangements to exist. If he had invented bendy straws in the Soviet Union, where those arrangements did not develop through history, then that would be a challenge.
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    Re: Progressive Grading in School

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    You know you just proved CC right about this being a trap thread.
    If you didn't notice, I was pretty implicit in my expression of what the thread was about.
    It is a comparison.
    I said I was playing devil's advocate and if you didn't read through the purposefully easy to see through question of Progressive Grading, then I'm sorry I can't help you.

    If it were meant to be a trap, I would be interested in trapping people.
    What I'm more interested in, is the inconsistency and to challenge what people believe.

    A trap is meant to deceive, a trick, I had/have no intention.
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    Re: Progressive Grading in School

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Not really.

    Both are measurements earned through work, yet one is acceptable to redistribute.
    They are not comparable, because if the grades are not a reflection of the education they received, then they are worthless, while money, no matter how it is earned, still has value.
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    Re: Progressive Grading in School

    It's was a really bad comparison when Beck made it, it is still a really bad comparison. Education. Taxes. Different. Not the same. You tried harder than the other thread just like this one made at coincidentally the same time, but it still fails due to the problem of trying to compare dissimilar things.
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    Re: Progressive Grading in School

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    There are pre-conditions to economic activity that the population as a whole participates in. This can be summed up as, 'maintaining a community'. Without a community, there is no economy. So people heavily invested in the economy also have a vested interest in the community, which sometimes requires welfare to maintain.

    Before the guy who can copyrighted bendy straws can capitalize on his invention, he needs all sorts of economic-political-cultural arrangements to exist. If he had invented bendy straws in the Soviet Union, where those arrangements did not develop through history, then that would be a challenge.
    I'm not talking about general taxation, which you're mixing with this.
    I'm specifically questioning why one institution of "progressiveness" is right and another is wrong, when both are neither egalitarian in design, nor result.

    As others have pointed out, when you transfer grades to lower performers, you are depriving them of a true education.
    Can not the same thing be said, when you transfer money or services to a person, that are not based on educating them?
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    Re: Progressive Grading in School

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    It's was a really bad comparison when Beck made it, it is still a really bad comparison. Education. Taxes. Different. Not the same. You tried harder than the other thread just like this one made at coincidentally the same time, but it still fails due to the problem of trying to compare dissimilar things.
    How are they dissimilar?
    It's a comparison between taxing results, high grades and high incomes.

    Both are heavily dependent on work involved, to achieve the higher result.
    What I think stands out, is that most people believe that their grades are reflective of their work, while they think most high incomes are not.

    It's a biased and inconsistent approach.

    Edit: I did my thread first, the other was coat tailing me.
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    Re: Progressive Grading in School

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    They are not comparable, because if the grades are not a reflection of the education they received, then they are worthless, while money, no matter how it is earned, still has value.
    If grades are worthless, then why are you against them being transferred?
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