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    Re: Progressive Grading in School

    This is such a bad idea. It's wrong and unfair. It's robbery. It would teach kids to have a bad work ethic and ensure that everyone passes because the smarter kids pulled your weight. It's unfair to both those who excel and those who fail. Sometimes tough love is necessary, and kids need to learn through failure and get their act together.
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    Re: Progressive Grading in School

    Quote Originally Posted by ElCid View Post
    You can cut and slice it any way you'd like. The main problem with American public schooling is American cultural decline. Nothing else can be blamed with any accuracy. Nothing short of a revolution will fix the problem. America is fast-becoming a nation of bums.
    I agree. We have gotten too used to our success and have become careless as a result. I believe this is one of our top five problems as a nation. We no longer believe in something greater than ourselves. Even what passes for love of our culture is really just love of the self, which is why ideologies like libertarianism are flourishing (that and the ongoing effort to reshape history in that image). I still wish we made the great gothic style buildings of years past and loved our society in that manner.
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    Re: Progressive Grading in School

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    That's exactly what I'm comparing, the real world results of such a situation.

    It has largely already been agreed to that the real world results of progressively taxing education, would lead to people graduating uneducated.
    A terrible result.

    What I'm also questioning is that progressively taxing people, leads to the same result, people having more money but not having the understanding of how to use it or make it effectively.
    I get your argument. The problem is that your analogy is nothing but an albatross. Income and education have severely different real world results and trying to pretend they are the same is foolish.

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    Re: Progressive Grading in School

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    A huge problem with your analogy that just came to the surface of my mind (but was lingering down in my subconscious ever since I spotted this thread and I could not figure out how to fully express it, I think) is that grades aren't currency. They cannot be exchanged for goods and services. Moving grades around to those who did not earn them devalues the grades, because you can't use those grades for anything else. On the other hand, money still retains value when you move it around.
    Grades are a type of currency, the higher your GPA and over all grades, the more likely you are to qualify for honorary titles and admittance to prestigious Universities.
    Grades carry a value of personal success.

    Remediation of inequality by shuffling things around, it does not inherently fix the problem if it is not self sustaining.

    Money does still have value even when shifted but that value is lessened through the system used to collect and spend it.
    Basically, it costs to do so and the end results may be an inefficient allocation of those funds.
    It might as well be valueless, in that scenario.
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    Re: Progressive Grading in School

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Grades are a type of currency, the higher your GPA and over all grades, the more likely you are to qualify for honorary titles and admittance to prestigious Universities.
    Grades carry a value of personal success.

    Money does still have value even when shifted but that value is lessened through the system used to collect and spend it.
    Basically, it costs to do so and the end results may be an inefficient allocation of those funds.
    It might as well be valueless, in that scenario.
    That is the unseen.
    A type of currency yes, but a general currency (like dollars), no. Grades can only be used in a very specific manner. Also money only decreases in usefulness of the new method is less efficient than the old method. If it is more efficient, it will increase in usefulness. There is a presumption of many here that private movement of money is always more efficient, but all it is an opinion.

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Remediation of inequality by shuffling things around, it does not inherently fix the problem if it is not self sustaining.
    I agree completely.
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    Re: Progressive Grading in School

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    I get your argument. The problem is that your analogy is nothing but an albatross. Income and education have severely different real world results and trying to pretend they are the same is foolish.
    I did not say they were the same but that doing something progressive to the end results could carry the similar problems.

    I am questioning that.
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    Re: Progressive Grading in School

    Quote Originally Posted by ElCid View Post
    You can cut and slice it any way you'd like. The main problem with American public schooling is American cultural decline. Nothing else can be blamed with any accuracy. Nothing short of a revolution will fix the problem. America is fast-becoming a nation of bums.
    A revolution in thinking, maybe. The cause of the cultural decline is ideology.
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    Re: Progressive Grading in School

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I did not say they were the same but that doing something progressive to the end results could carry the similar problems.

    I am questioning that.
    That bring up some evidence for your actual point. Explain the mechanism by which progressive taxation prevents people from learning how to make money.

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    Re: Progressive Grading in School

    Progressive grading would also hinder success. Those who excel would be making B's or C's depending on the class average. They would have to work two or three times harder to make an A and hope that someone else's failure doesn't rob them of their A.
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    Re: Progressive Grading in School

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Because clearly at some point it becomes impractical. While there will always be more need than any level of help, public or private, can provide for, killing the golden goose kills it for everyone.
    That makes sense. Thank you.


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