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Thread: Progressive Grading in School

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    Re: Progressive Grading in School

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Because very few children are in acute danger of losing their homes, food, humanity, whatever else due to bad grades (at least in this country). While the same is not true for adults who may lose their job or be unable to find a job for whatever reason.

    Hey Harry, this is one of those details.
    That is valid, the intensity of each situation, however that does not take away from the point of progressiveness, as outlined by others, to equalize an unequal world.

    Like I said though, it is assumed that it needs to exist for taxation of income.
    It's called the "unseen" and how that has reverberations throughout the economy and human psychology.
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    Re: Progressive Grading in School

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I already directly address CC's points(in your second link).
    I did not ignore it.

    Red's criticism could be addressed with Mellie's comment.
    Both forms of "progressiveness" can exist to equalize unequal situations in society.
    If the details were pertinent enough to address, then please don't pretend that they don't exist.

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    Re: Progressive Grading in School

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    That is valid, the intensity of each situation, however that does not take away from the point of progressiveness, as outlined by others, to equalize an unequal world.

    Like I said though, it is assumed that it needs to exist for taxation of income.
    It's called the "unseen" and how that has reverberations throughout the economy and human psychology.
    Oh, I never denied that I want to better equalize some things. I doubt any of the self described progressives here would deny this.

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    Re: Progressive Grading in School

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    If the details were pertinent enough to address, then please don't pretend that they don't exist.
    I know I did with CC's comment.
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    Re: Progressive Grading in School

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I know I did with CC's comment.
    Ok then, thats settled.

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    Re: Progressive Grading in School

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Oh, I never denied that I want to better equalize some things. I doubt any of the self described progressives here would deny this.
    This is more about the method of equalization though.

    Your Star has already pointed out quite well, that giving people grades, does not make them educated.
    Would it not also be true that just giving people money/services, does not teach them to be productive enough, to be self reliant?
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    Re: Progressive Grading in School

    So Harry, do you think "consistency" should be the basis for government policy. Should we destroy perfectly functioning systems in order to satisfy a vague comparative analogy?

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    Re: Progressive Grading in School

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    So Harry, do you think "consistency" should be the basis for government policy. Should we destroy perfectly functioning systems in order to satisfy a vague comparative analogy?
    Depends on what you consider "perfectly functioning."

    It's not vague at all, I think it's pretty well comparable.
    It's about discussing the solutions to problems and how they are not necessarily long term solutions.
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    Re: Progressive Grading in School

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    This is more about the method of equalization though.

    Your Star has already pointed out quite well, that giving people grades, does not make them educated.
    Would it not also be true that just giving people money/services, does not teach them to be productive enough, to be self reliant?
    I have always believed that there should be a cut off point for social welfare. Without going into details if the person continues to fail after some number of remediation attempts, then yeah, let them live under a bridge. However, the inverse your statement is also not true. Often withholding services from someone will not make them work harder, especially if they have no opportunity in which hard work will do any good for them. Often in neither case is self reliance achieved or taught.

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    Re: Progressive Grading in School

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    I have always believed that there should be a cut off point for social welfare. Without going into details if the person continues to fail after some number of remediation attempts, then yeah, let them live under a bridge. However, the inverse your statement is also not true. Often withholding services from someone will not make them work harder, especially if they have no opportunity in which hard work will do any good for them.
    And I agree, I'm just bringing out this in, what I thought, was an entertaining way.

    I'm interested in setting up a system of productivity where the rules are clear and that we don't subsidize sloth.
    My problem is that many people assume our system is safety net, when it could be very clearly seen, that it's a way of reshuffling the deck for political gain.
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