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    Re: Progressive Grading in School

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    And when were grades ever taxed?
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    Re: Progressive Grading in School

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Yes I know and we could do the same thing with grades/GPA's.
    We could, but there is no point in doing so when it comes to schooling while there is a point when it comes to incomes/taxes, as has been pointed out multiple times. Consistency for the sake of consistency is silly. So while, the two situation can be seen as similar if one looks at them through a kaleidoscope, the individual details (that have been pointed out by multiple posters in this thread, some of which I even linked on this very page) make the actual situations very difference. Those messy details that some in this thread want to ignore are very important.
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    Re: Progressive Grading in School

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    The point of the educational system and taxation system is to provide optimum results. Trying to be "consistent" by ignoring pragmatic realities is moronic. The U.S. military is entirely inconsistent with the countries democratic values. Soldiers can be drafted against their will, are required to follow non-democratic authority under threat of punishment and even be sent to their deaths. In order to be "consistent" we would have to let soldiers vote for their commanders, ignore orders if they chose and let the military be sued for "providing an unsafe workplace".

    Government policy should be decided on the independent merits of the system. It doesn't matter if you have different strategies for education and taxation provided that they both work.
    Just an FYI if you did not know. In the line of duty a soldier can ignore orders of suficient grounds.

    One I know of was whatyacallit got a medal, I believe durring the Clinton era.

    On the other hand, it's the army and war is war, I wouldnt say a thing about it in the service. Attitudes change, and even if not there are personalities to contend with. Then there is the odd and obsurd but undeniable, dictatorships sweep in like a wind at times. The viel of truth is sometimes thin and contentious.

    Personally I dont see the correllation between tax and grades and did not bother to ponder the purported simularites long.
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    Re: Progressive Grading in School

    Quote Originally Posted by Mellie View Post
    Of course it would hit the lower classes hard because they're used to not paying anything. If we're going to have an income tax, everyone who has an income should contribute.
    Nope, because 15% of 30,000 hurts alot more than 15% of 1,000,000, because the person making 30,000 is going to spend most, if not all of their income on the basics, while the person making 1,000,000 is not. They can carry a bigger burden, and should.
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    Re: Progressive Grading in School

    Quote Originally Posted by Mellie View Post
    /facepalm........
    I was just pointing out the ludicrousness of the comparison.
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    Re: Progressive Grading in School

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    We could, but there is no point in doing so when it comes to schooling while there is a point when it comes to incomes/taxes, as has been pointed out multiple times. Consistency for the sake of consistency is silly. So while, the two situation can be seen as similar if one looks at them through a kaleidoscope, the individual details (that have been pointed out by multiple posters in this thread, some of which I even linked on this very page) make the actual situations very difference. Those messy details that some in this thread want to ignore are very important.
    That's just an assumption though.

    I'm perfectly fine looking at the details, only the details of progressive income taxation aren't as easy to see, as doing the same with grades.

    It is assumed that, progressive taxation of income is good, based on personal bias.
    While taxing grades progressively, is not good.
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    Re: Progressive Grading in School

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    I was just pointing out the ludicrousness of the comparison.
    People in this thread seem to think that simply because there are some minor similarities between the two things that they are equivalent and that people pointing out problems with the analogy fail in their arguments because they don't address that small link between the two.

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    That's just an assumption though.

    I'm perfectly fine looking at the details, only the details of progressive income taxation aren't as easy to see, as doing the same with grades.

    It is assumed that, progressive taxation of income is good, based on personal bias.
    While taxing grades progressively, is not good.
    Yes Harry, I have a point of view, as do we all. As far as the details go, again, I linked out some of the discussion of those details last page, you even quoted me. You are quoting them and then pretending that they don't exist?
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    Re: Progressive Grading in School

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    We could, but there is no point in doing so when it comes to schooling while there is a point when it comes to incomes/taxes, as has been pointed out multiple times. Consistency for the sake of consistency is silly.
    But it's not consistency for the sake of consistency.

    The rich pay more in taxes that benefit the entire society because they have more money whether it be from their own hard work or an inheritance or luck. They pay for those who did not work hard, had a tough life, or bad luck.

    Why shouldn't the smart kid give a little of his good grades to the kid who grew up in a horrible family environment which resulted in him failing? It's only fair. It's the right thing to do, isn't it?

    Similarly, why shouldn't the rich pay more for a loaf of bread? It's not fair that a poor person has to pay the same amount. Do you know the toll that has on a poor family to have to pay the same price that rich people pay? It's just not fair.

    (Devil's advocate, of course.)


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    Re: Progressive Grading in School

    Quote Originally Posted by Mellie View Post
    But it's not consistency for the sake of consistency.

    The rich pay more in taxes that benefit the entire society because they have more money whether it be from their own hard work or an inheritance or luck. They pay for those who did not work hard, had a tough life, or bad luck.

    Why shouldn't the smart kid give a little of his good grades to the kid who grew up in a horrible family environment which resulted in him failing? It's only fair. It's the right thing to do, isn't it?

    Similarly, why shouldn't the rich pay more for a loaf of bread? It's not fair that a poor person has to pay the same amount. Do you know the toll that has on a poor family to have to pay the same price that rich people pay? It's just not fair.

    (Devil's advocate, of course.)
    Because very few children are in acute danger of losing their homes, food, humanity, whatever else due to bad grades (at least in this country). While the same is not true for adults who may lose their job or be unable to find a job for whatever reason.

    Hey Harry, this is one of those details.

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    Re: Progressive Grading in School

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Yes Harry, I have a point of view, as do we all. As far as the details go, again, I linked out some of the discussion of those details last page, you even quoted me. You are quoting them and then pretending that they don't exist?
    I already directly address CC's points(in your second link).
    I did not ignore it.

    Red's criticism could be addressed with Mellie's comment.
    Both forms of "progressiveness" can exist to equalize unequal situations in society.
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