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    Re: Progressive Grading in School

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Then you make the assumption that I see them this way. I do not. I see both as a product of complex factors from both the individual and society.
    which is why i utilized the phrases "we" and "many" as opposed to "you".

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    Re: Progressive Grading in School

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    The issue is that there are no hard and fast rules. Grades do not equate a better life. More income does. Again, this is why the comparison fails. The outcomes do not match.
    Whoa, more income does not necessarily lead to a better life, conversely lower income does not necessarily mean that your life will suck.
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    Re: Progressive Grading in School

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    If I wanted to make a trap thread, with the intent on wiggling my finger in peoples faces like a jerk, I would be much more craftier than that.
    I'm not a jerk though and I guess I falsely believed that the majority of people would of seen the implicit comparison, I was trying to make.
    OK back to my thoughts on tax.

    Have you done the math on what it would take as a percentage for a flat tax? A main component for many who have contempt for any part of the taxing tier.

    Ever talk to any in HS who were on the honor roll? Most arent as pleased with it as you might think, it is no easy task.

    Enter the honor roll status by chance and you find you are expected to maintain it for an entire year and so on.
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    Re: Progressive Grading in School

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Oh I do and I hated school.
    I even had a brush with redistributional education policy with one teacher once.
    What on earth is that!?!

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I want to make education fun, interesting, "tailored to the person" kind of experience.
    Sounds good, and is most likely close to flawless.
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    Re: Progressive Grading in School

    Quote Originally Posted by as if View Post
    OK back to my thoughts on tax.

    Have you done the math on what it would take as a percentage for a flat tax? A main component for many who have contempt for any part of the taxing tier?
    If I were to design a tax, it would likely be progressive, although less stratified as it is now.
    I do not believe any person should have to pay more than 10% in taxes.
    That's ridiculous.

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    Ever talk to any in HS who were on the honor roll? Most arent as pleased with it as you might think, it is no easy task.

    Enter the honor roll status by chance and you find you are expected to maintain it for an entire year and so on.
    Yea being in honors classes typically involved more work.
    That's not fun, helpful, educational or anything, just more crap to keep you busy.
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    Re: Progressive Grading in School

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Except this isn't a redistributionist policy in the same sense that progressive taxation is. The reason that we redistribute money from the rich to the poor is the general assumption that more money makes people better off (which is largely true, at least to a certain point). The same argument cannot be applied to grades. Better grades do not, by themselves, make people better off. They only indirectly make people better off, by leading to more lucrative jobs and more money. And even here, the variable isn't so much the grades themselves, but the education. If you have the grades without the education, it means nothing.



    Internet-deprived? Uhh I don't think that there's hardly anyone in the United States in 2011 who is internet-deprived, except for dottering old luddites and maybe a few hillbillies in the Appalachian Mountains. For the vast majority of students who do have the internet at home or at school, moving to an online-centric education system will be greatly beneficial because it will enable them to work at their own pace and for teachers to focus their efforts on students who are stuck.
    no i tend to think there is some pretty solid parallels to be drawn. that's not really the thrust of my argument here, but the effect is the same. if you simply give someone money without increasing the value of their labor, then all you have done is give them a fish and fed them for a day. if you simply give someone grades without increasing the value of their knowledge then all you have done is given them a grade and allowed them one year's progress in schooling. in both scenarios, your aid hasn't really helped the person in the long term, but rather utilized a short term paper-over-the-problem solution to dull any attempts to seek out a (more painful) long term solution.

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    Re: Progressive Grading in School

    Quote Originally Posted by as if View Post
    What on earth is that!?!
    Remember I said "brush."

    It was this one time in history class, (note that I'm fiercely competitive when it comes to quizzing) and I got the answer to a competitive quiz right, but the teacher publicly said I was wrong.

    Another guy received credit and when I confronted the teacher after class about it, she said I was "technically right."
    What the hell does that mean?

    Quote Originally Posted by as if View Post
    Sounds good, and is most likely close to flawless.
    It can be very expensive, so not flawless. :/
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    Re: Progressive Grading in School

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    That would indicate that I believe that the two are comparable. I do not. One cannot create a metric that would give an accurate metric for two issues that have no comparison.
    so no, you can't utilize logic to demonstrate how one falls on one side of dividing line and one falls on the other.

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    Re: Progressive Grading in School

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Internet-deprived? Uhh I don't think that there's hardly anyone in the United States in 2011 who is internet-deprived, except for dottering old luddites and maybe a few hillbillies in the Appalachian Mountains. For the vast majority of students who do have the internet at home or at school, moving to an online-centric education system will be greatly beneficial because it will enable them to work at their own pace and for teachers to focus their efforts on students who are stuck.
    To someone living in the country with no definitive use for the net, I doubt without it they care. Farmer, country folk, mine worker ....

    From what I see with the standardization of the net in society and in just about every venue, it has created it's own need to becoming a virtual necessity. hmmm I saw an expected need by many venues over a decade back, the news, banks and so on.

    Necessity is the mother of invention... which creates the need. Need is defined as something required for ones survival. Air, water, food and so on. If you will not die you do not implicitly have a need for it. Though it is argued anything that will negatively impact when missing is a need. regardless

    The routine of going to school is a primer for one to learn the habit of leaving the house daily to go to work. Good habits are good to form.
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    Re: Progressive Grading in School

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Remember I said "brush."

    It was this one time in history class, (note that I'm fiercely competitive when it comes to quizzing) and I got the answer to a competitive quiz right, but the teacher publicly said I was wrong.

    Another guy received credit and when I confronted the teacher after class about it, she said I was "technically right."
    What the hell does that mean?
    ah... i wonder if she realized what she was actually doing by exposing her more intelligent students to the downfalls of a progressive redistribution schema....

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