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    Re: Progressive Grading in School

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    interesting. can you use the exact same metric to demonstrate that one is acceptable for redistribution and the other is not? a neutral metric obviously not designed to predetermine the response?
    That would indicate that I believe that the two are comparable. I do not. One cannot create a metric that would give an accurate metric for two issues that have no comparison.
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    Re: Progressive Grading in School

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    This isn't a trap thread and it's here to make you think.

    Would you support a system of grading, where the higher performing students have part of their grades distributed to lower performing students, in order for their (lower performing students) grades to be brought up to passing?

    This should be applied to all levels from Kindergarten-College/University.

    Explain your reasoning, behind your answer, please.
    I'm curious, is there reasoning behind your line of thinking?

    Looks like a trap, smells like a trap, but I imagine if it was you would have been craftier about it.

    What is the line of thought and reason to comparing it to taxes?

    Oh great now you got me going on the whole fricken tax mess lets to that too in another thread.

    Grading is jacked up .... face it.

    When I was in HS you had to have a GPA of 4.0 to be an honor student. Maybe you are on to something but the take from is off. Now anyone it seems can be an honor student... all in the name of the PC police I guess.

    Dont let Jimmy's feellings be hurt becuase he isnt as smart as ... whatever.

    Blame it on whatever, the fact America as a whole has lost it's advantage on education is the not as smart or not as inclined to learn have no need for motivation. Muddle through and get a pass. It is a show up and get an automatic pass mentality with the added perk of honor status for those who try hard enough or are intelligent enough they dont even have to put much effort into it.
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    Re: Progressive Grading in School

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Plenty of folks do just fine without graduating. Graduating may give you a better chance, but it is not the only factor. Further, you are looking at this in black/white terms... another failure of your analogy. Someone who graduates with C's may end up as successful or more so than one who graduates with A's... and those C's may not be an accurate reflection of the individual's intelligence. Like I said, you attempted to oversimplify a very complex situation.
    And I agree, some don't need a formal education to achieve high results, but simplification is necessary to discuss generalized things.

    I never have a problem understanding, that there are always exceptions.
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    Re: Progressive Grading in School

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    No. The issue is that the causes for grades and income are far more complex than the simplified way that it is being described and that neither are a product of just the student or society, but of BOTH.
    i agree that the swirl of complex factors that go into GPA and Income are difficult enough to pull apart that you can't select a single one and describe it as a controlling facet.

    what you are missing i think is that despite the fact that both income and GPA are the result of the interaction of these indescribably complex factors, for some reason when we discuss grades we do so from the assumption than they are the product of the student and belong to the student to direct as he sees fit, whereas many seem to discuss income from the assumption that they are the product of society and belong to society to direct as they see fit.

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    Re: Progressive Grading in School

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    then we would have to make them. the solution to the failure of redistributionist policies is coercion.
    Except this isn't a redistributionist policy in the same sense that progressive taxation is. The reason that we redistribute money from the rich to the poor is the general assumption that more money makes people better off (which is largely true, at least to a certain point). The same argument cannot be applied to grades. Better grades do not, by themselves, make people better off. They only indirectly make people better off, by leading to more lucrative jobs and more money. And even here, the variable isn't so much the grades themselves, but the education. If you have the grades without the education, it means nothing.

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill
    so you want to reform education on the backs of the internet-deprived?
    Internet-deprived? Uhh I don't think that there's hardly anyone in the United States in 2011 who is internet-deprived, except for dottering old luddites and maybe a few hillbillies in the Appalachian Mountains. For the vast majority of students who do have the internet at home or at school, moving to an online-centric education system will be greatly beneficial because it will enable them to work at their own pace and for teachers to focus their efforts on students who are stuck.
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    Re: Progressive Grading in School

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    i agree that the swirl of complex factors that go into GPA and Income are difficult enough to pull apart that you can't select a single one and describe it as a controlling facet.

    what you are missing i think is that despite the fact that both income and GPA are the result of the interaction of these indescribably complex factors, for some reason when we discuss grades we do so from the assumption than they are the product of the student and belong to the student to direct as he sees fit, whereas many seem to discuss income from the assumption that they are the product of society and belong to society to direct as they see fit.
    Then you make the assumption that I see them this way. I do not. I see both as a product of complex factors from both the individual and society.
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    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    Re: Progressive Grading in School

    Quote Originally Posted by as if View Post
    I'm curious, is there reasoning behind your line of thinking?

    Looks like a trap, smells like a trap, but I imagine if it was you would have been craftier about it.

    What is the line of thought and reason to comparing it to taxes?

    Oh great now you got me going on the whole fricken tax mess lets to that too in another thread.

    Grading is jacked up .... face it.

    When I was in HS you had to have a GPA of 4.0 to be an honor student. Maybe you are on to something but the take from is off. Now anyone it seems can be an honor student... all in the name of the PC police I guess.

    Dont let Jimmy's feellings be hurt becuase he isnt as smart as ... whatever.

    Blame it on whatever, the fact America as a whole has lost it's advantage on education is the not as smart or not as inclined to learn have no need for motivation. Muddle through and get a pass. It is a show up and get an automatic pass mentality with the added perk of honor status for those who try hard enough or are intelligent enough they dont even have to put much effort into it.
    If I wanted to make a trap thread, with the intent on wiggling my finger in peoples faces like a jerk, I would be much more craftier than that.
    I'm not a jerk though and I guess I falsely believed that the majority of people would of seen the implicit comparison, I was trying to make.
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    Re: Progressive Grading in School

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Nooooo.

    It's about taxing grades in a similar fashion that income is taxed.

    As if the whole school thing isnt taxing enough. ~sigh~

    If you care about it that is.
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    Re: Progressive Grading in School

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    And I agree, some don't need a formal education to achieve high results, but simplification is necessary to discuss generalized things.

    I never have a problem understanding, that there are always exceptions.
    The issue is that there are no hard and fast rules. Grades do not equate a better life. More income does. Again, this is why the comparison fails. The outcomes do not match.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.


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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Had you been born elsewhere or at a different time you may very well have chosen a different belief system.
    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    It a person has faith they dont need to convince another of it, and when a non believer is not interested in listening to the word of the lord, " you shake the dust from your sandels and move on"

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    Re: Progressive Grading in School

    Quote Originally Posted by as if View Post
    As if the whole school thing isnt taxing enough. ~sigh~

    If you care about it that is.
    Oh I do and I hated school.
    I even had a brush with redistributional education policy with one teacher once.

    I want to make education fun, interesting, "tailored to the person" kind of experience.
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