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Thread: Progressive Grading in School

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    Re: Progressive Grading in School

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Most of us are not really talking about education. We are talking about the fatally flawed comparison of taxes and grades.
    Nooooo.

    It's about taxing grades in a similar fashion that income is taxed.
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    Re: Progressive Grading in School

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Taxing income and grades progressively is the same effect, yes it is comparable.
    No, it isn't and no it isn't.

    Take from the highest, to "boost" the lowest.
    That is overgeneralized and overly simplistic and the failure of your comparison. One's wealth is a direct correlation to what one can have. One's grades are not. There's the failure.

    Grades are not necessarily based on effort, sometimes it's choice and situation (see. Cheating), sometimes it's based on luck and situation, (see. parental involvement in education and facility standards).
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    Re: Progressive Grading in School

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    No, it isn't and no it isn't.



    That is overgeneralized and overly simplistic and the failure of your comparison. One's wealth is a direct correlation to what one can have. One's grades are not. There's the failure.



    You are missing the point. Impact.
    If you have low grades, you do not pass/graduate/receive a degree, limiting the potential of earning a higher income.
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    Re: Progressive Grading in School

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Most of us are not really talking about education. We are talking about the fatally flawed comparison of taxes and grades.
    see how you try to redirect the debate away from your desire to keep grades allocated to the very top, lucky few? your desire to protect the priviledges of the harvard/yale/rhodes scholars crowd at the expense of the poor urban students is quite telling. it's Class (if you'll pardon the pun) Warfare, and the advantaged students are winning with your support.



    my point is less the direct comparison between the exchange of money and grades, and more the language and assumptions that we use when debating them. often many seem to start from the assumption that people just "happened" to recieve a higher income than others - without paying attention (and here i think there is a solid connection to be made) to the fact that the swirl of factors that go into higher incomes (work, intelligence, family background) pretty much mirror the factors that go into GPA. yet for some reason we discuss grades as though they were a product of the student, and income as though it was a product of society.

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    Re: Progressive Grading in School

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    If I designed a tax structure, it would still be progressive.
    Just not like it is now.

    Damn it, I really really really had no intention of this being a trap.
    Maybe I should of done it differently, but I was trying to be very implicit in my use of "Progressive" with the capitalization and the add on that I wanted to challenge beliefs and all that.
    From what I see, you have a few choices. You saw my "support" for progressive grades. Address it. Not only will I demonstrate, through debate, that your analogy makes no sense, but I will also demonstrate why progressive taxes make sense.

    Or, you could just drop the analogy and talk about whatever it is that you want to talk about. Either way, I'm going to bed and will pick this up late in the afternoon or early in the evening.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    Re: Progressive Grading in School

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    my point is less the direct comparison between the exchange of money and grades, and more the language and assumptions that we use when debating them. often many seem to start from the assumption that people just "happened" to recieve a higher income than others - without paying attention (and here i think there is a solid connection to be made) to the fact that the swirl of factors that go into higher incomes (work, intelligence, family background) pretty much mirror the factors that go into GPA. yet for some reason we discuss grades as though they were a product of the student, and income as though it was a product of society.
    This is precisely the point.
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    Re: Progressive Grading in School

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    If you have low grades, you do not pass/graduate/receive a degree, limiting the potential of earning a higher income.
    exactly. opponents of a progressive grade structure want to tilt educational benefits in favor of high-GPA'ers and away from middle and low grade recipients.

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    Re: Progressive Grading in School

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    If you have low grades, you do not pass/graduate/receive a degree, limiting the potential of earning a higher income.
    Plenty of folks do just fine without graduating. Graduating may give you a better chance, but it is not the only factor. Further, you are looking at this in black/white terms... another failure of your analogy. Someone who graduates with C's may end up as successful or more so than one who graduates with A's... and those C's may not be an accurate reflection of the individual's intelligence. Like I said, you attempted to oversimplify a very complex situation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    Re: Progressive Grading in School

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Now you're being dishonest, Harry. Read your posts. You are certainly against progressive taxes. That was the point of this thread.

    And good debate? Sure, if you consider dicsussing and determining that you created a trap thread in order to discuss progressive taxes a good debate.
    interesting. can you use the exact same metric to demonstrate that one is acceptable for redistribution and the other is not? a neutral metric obviously not designed to predetermine the response?

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    Re: Progressive Grading in School

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    my point is less the direct comparison between the exchange of money and grades, and more the language and assumptions that we use when debating them. often many seem to start from the assumption that people just "happened" to recieve a higher income than others - without paying attention (and here i think there is a solid connection to be made) to the fact that the swirl of factors that go into higher incomes (work, intelligence, family background) pretty much mirror the factors that go into GPA. yet for some reason we discuss grades as though they were a product of the student, and income as though it was a product of society.
    No. The issue is that the causes for grades and income are far more complex than the simplified way that it is being described and that neither are a product of just the student or society, but of BOTH.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.


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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Had you been born elsewhere or at a different time you may very well have chosen a different belief system.
    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    It a person has faith they dont need to convince another of it, and when a non believer is not interested in listening to the word of the lord, " you shake the dust from your sandels and move on"

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