View Poll Results: Regarding Illegal Immigration: Who is to Blame?

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  • The Country of Mexico

    5 35.71%
  • The Judicial System of the US

    3 21.43%
  • The Illegal Mexicans

    4 28.57%
  • Presidents Obama & Bush

    4 28.57%
  • The US Congress

    4 28.57%
  • The US / Mexican Boarder Patrol

    1 7.14%
  • Individual State Laws

    1 7.14%
  • Local Law Enforcement

    1 7.14%
  • The Law of the United States of America

    4 28.57%
  • I Dont Know / Other

    2 14.29%
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    Re: Regarding Illegal Immigration: Who is to Blame?

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    i disagree
    there is a very simple, effective solution available if our congress would implement it
    and it would require little modification to existing law
    and almost no additional cost

    we need to do the following:
    deny any drivers license, bank account, schooling, social welfare, medical care (excepting only that to prevent fatality), or employment - to anyone who does not have a valid social security number (easy to check now) or who is without a valid pink (formerly green) card

    being unable to get a job, housing, utilities, driving or any other license, schooling, social assistance or medical attention, being in the USA as an undocumented alien becomes a lot less attractive

    the undocumented aliens will get themselves back across the border because the opportunities they came for will no longer be available to them

    the other wrinkle to current law we need to amend:
    if you notify homeland security/ICE (formerly INS) of an undocumented worker, who is then found to be undocumented, the employer will be heavily fined and the person who reported the undocumented worker will receive the fine paid by that employer
    the fine will double with each conviction
    we will have a huge new cottage industry. blue collar workers especially, those displaced by illegals willing to work for the prevailing wage, would be able to eliminate those who have taken their jobs while also enjoying the bounty paid by the employer of the illegal

    do these two things and that woosh sound you hear will be the caravan of illegals making their way south
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    You see, the problem with that solution is that it would actually work. No one in Washington wants a solution that actually works, as then they wouldn't be able to blame the other guy for doing nothing. What they would rather do is rant about building an expensive and most likely ineffective fence, thus keeping the status quo in place and their cheap labor loving supporters happy.
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    Re: Regarding Illegal Immigration: Who is to Blame?

    A few hints:

    1) Illegal immigrants come from many countries

    2) People are responsible for their own actions

    3) not all illegal immigrants are from Mexico

    4) using retarded op/ed's as source material is stupid

    5) Illegal immigrants, no matter their country of origin, are and always have been at fault for their choosing to break the law.
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    Re: Regarding Illegal Immigration: Who is to Blame?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    A few hints:

    1) Illegal immigrants come from many countries

    2) People are responsible for their own actions

    3) not all illegal immigrants are from Mexico

    4) using retarded op/ed's as source material is stupid

    5) Illegal immigrants, no matter their country of origin, are and always have been at fault for their choosing to break the law.

    Im focusing on MEXICAN illegals on this poll.
    Its NOT op/ed. Its a real TRUE event and it seems to happen often. ANd yes of course this their own fault but it is also a shared fault. Its almost like Mexico WANTS them to come here illegally and our current laws are failing us.
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    Re: Regarding Illegal Immigration: Who is to Blame?

    we need to do the following:
    deny any drivers license, bank account, schooling, social welfare, medical care (excepting only that to prevent fatality), or employment - to anyone who does not have a valid social security number (easy to check now) or who is without a valid pink (formerly green) card
    This is pretty much the way things work nowadays. Unfortunately, that doesn't work. There are too many employers willing to hire under the table, and SS numbers can also be obtained through fraud.

    if you notify homeland security/ICE (formerly INS) of an undocumented worker, who is then found to be undocumented, the employer will be heavily fined and the person who reported the undocumented worker will receive the fine paid by that employer
    the fine will double with each conviction
    That is unlikely to have much of an impact. Regular citizens would have a hard time obtaining any proof of their co-workers immigration status. They also would probably face negative consequences at their job for reporting, which lowers the reporting rate.

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    Re: Regarding Illegal Immigration: Who is to Blame?

    The link is a biased piece of crap. There were 20+ million illegals in this country before Obama took office, so trying to blame this crap on him is complete rubbish. Who's to blame? Lots of people. First, the US government is to blame, because it refuses to enforce it's own immigration laws and secure the border. Republicans won't vote for crackdowns because they depend on money from the businesses that want cheap, exploitable labor. Democrats won't vote for crackdowns because they depend on the hispanic vote to keep them in office. The Mexican government is to blame, because they hand out maps and tell their poor to go north, then send the money they make back to Mexico.

    Bah. Stupid poll for a really serious problem.

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    Re: Regarding Illegal Immigration: Who is to Blame?

    Only country of Mexico is to blame because there are very few immigrants from the good and wealthy countries.
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    Re: Regarding Illegal Immigration: Who is to Blame?

    Mexico (and all the other countries that illegal immigrants come from) suck. That's basically the whole reason illegal immigration even happens. Is it Mexico's fault that they suck? idk.
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