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Are Gay People "Abnormal"?

Are gay people "abnormal"?

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mac said:
Ok, which traits are not chosen and which are? What is the physical limitation of traits? Where do traits reside? Are they physical facts or philosophical constructs? Are traits uncontrollable drivers of day to day human existence? What is the overall impact of said traits?
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Taste is unchosen. Information about location and limitation can be found in the mysterious brain. It's a physical fact; our fashion, food, color, etc. tastes are not constructs. Uncontrollable drivers? Not in the sense that I can chose to eat or wear something against my taste. Impact? It determines what I would prefer to eat, wear, etc.
 
StillBallin75 said:
Eh, I guess people differ with regard to their sexual impulses. Some men and women feel they have to get some, right now, the moment they walk through the door. But generally I'd say the answer to your question is Yes.

Sexual impulses aren't the same thing as sexual identity/orientation though.
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Regardless of orientation, our sexual impulses are controllable then? Are there Orientations which are not acceptable?
 
theplaydrive said:
Taste is unchosen. Information about location and limitation can be found in the mysterious brain. It's a physical fact; our fashion, food, color, etc. tastes are not constructs. Uncontrollable drivers? Not in the sense that I can chose to eat or wear something against my taste. Impact? It determines what I would prefer to eat, wear, etc.
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Says whom? What if any of this is in the least substantiated?
 
mac said:
Says whom? What if any of this is in the least substantiated?
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Says experience. When did you chose to like your favorite color, clothing, art piece, food? This is common sense stuff here, mac.
 
mac said:
Regardless of orientation, our sexual impulses are controllable then? Are there Orientations which are not acceptable?
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For the vast majority of people, sexual impulses are controllable. Obviously this is untrue for people like serial rapists/molesters, who are psychopaths.

I would say pedophilia is socially and legally unacceptable, but it's the act that's illegal, not the orientation.
 
theplaydrive said:
Says experience. When did you chose to like your favorite color, clothing, art piece, food? This is common sense stuff here, mac.
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Is it....none of these preferences change over time?
 
mac said:
Is it....none of these preferences change over time?
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They can, but for the most part not consciously or willfully. I don't think people "choose" to change their favorite colors, or foods.
 
mac said:
Is it....none of these preferences change over time?
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What does change have to do with choice? When did you chose your favorite color, piece of clothing, art piece or food?
 
StillBallin75 said:
For the vast majority of people, sexual impulses are controllable. Obviously this is untrue for people like serial rapists/molesters, who are psychopaths.

I would say pedophilia is socially and legally unacceptable, but it's the act that's illegal, not the orientation.
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Agreed. Sexual impulses in humans are completely controllable. Anyone that can not exercise control over their impulses is considered mentally incapacitated (or sick).

You consider pedophilia an orientation? How about bestiality?
 
mac said:
Is it....none of these preferences change over time?
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They can. Hence why it's not uncommon to see phases of experimenting during adolescence. However it's not a simple on/off switch, you really don't have any control over the matter.
 
theplaydrive said:
What does change have to do with choice? When did you chose your favorite color, piece of clothing, art piece or food?
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Most of what I like and don't like changes with time, and mood. I have no favorite color, clothing style or artists. These change daily. Hourly even. I'm fond of some writers, but my reading is not exclusive to them, nor do I agree with all they write....etc, etc....
 
mac said:
Agreed. Sexual impulses in humans are completely controllable. Anyone that can not exercise control over their impulses is considered mentally incapacitated (or sick).

You consider pedophilia an orientation? How about bestiality?
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Yes.

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mac said:
Most of what I like and don't like changes with time, and mood. I have no favorite color, clothing style or artists. These change daily. Hourly even. I'm fond of some writers, but my reading is not exclusive to them, nor do I agree with all they write....etc, etc....
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And did you chose them?
 
I've posted this here before, but apparently it bears repeating:



The first video shows that he truly is gay.



The second backs the first, and tells when the brain develops these abilities (mid-pregnancy). AKA, born gay.
 
Redress said:
For how you define the word "abnormal", do you consider gays to be "abnormal"?
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Individuals should not be defining words. We have dictionaries for a reason.

Yes, homosexuality is abnormal, as abnormal as my left-handedness, yet equally as irrelevant.
 
mac said:
Most of what I like and don't like changes with time, and mood. I have no favorite color, clothing style or artists. These change daily. Hourly even. I'm fond of some writers, but my reading is not exclusive to them, nor do I agree with all they write....etc, etc....
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And my favorite color is and always has been red. People are wired differently people can develop/gain sexual fetishes and even change orientation, however it still is not under your conscious control. No matter how much I tell myself my Art History class is interesting I will never be excited to attend.
 
Jerry said:
Individuals should not be defining words. We have dictionaries for a reason.

Yes, homosexuality is abnormal, as abnormal as my left-handedness, yet equally as irrelevant.
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Even the dictionary is ambiguous on the definition of "normal." It depends on how one defines "norm." Many people use the statistical majority definition of normal. I view "social norm" as something that is socially acceptable. Therefore, in my view, left-handedness is normal. It just looks super-weird when someone shoots a basketball with their left hand.
 
BDBoop said:
I've posted this here before, but apparently it bears repeating:



The first video shows that he truly is gay.



The second backs the first, and tells when the brain develops these abilities (mid-pregnancy). AKA, born gay.
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"It's a gorgeous brain"........
 
theplaydrive said:
What I mean is did you chose which authors to be fond of?
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again, of course I did. I decided what I like in a writer and like who writes the way I like.
 
But all that's based on how your brain is already hardwired.
 
StillBallin75 said:
Even the dictionary is ambiguous on the definition of "normal." It depends on how one defines "norm." Many people use the statistical majority definition of normal. I view "social norm" as something that is socially acceptable. Therefore, in my view, left-handedness is normal. It just looks super-weird when someone shoots a basketball with their left hand.
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I don't typically perform a technical diagnostic of my 'definitions' before hand. I take the question, give my answer, and then look back on why I gave that answer.

I would say that 'abnormal' to me is anything which stands out or catches the eye. In general, 2 people of the same sex kissing catches attention, just as I take notice every single time I encounter a southpaw.

I can't say I'm using a given set of parameters, it's more of a gut reaction then a well thought out technical dissertation.
 
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I do too! And then I wonder. Do I notice because so few are left-handed, or because I am?
 
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